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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 1076408" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>People make a big deal that legislation is not read but the public has deceived itself that Congress has ever really read most legislation. Michael Moore in making Fahrenheit 9/11 asked Congressman John Conyers about why he voted for the Patriot Act and in the discourse Moore mentioned reading the bill to which Conyers stated the following (a direct quote):</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Get mad and blame Conyers or hate Moore all you want but you've been living in a dreamworld Neo. I tip my hat to Moore for asking the right question, may not have been his intent, but it got Conyers to at least admit it on celluloid. And not that he's the first either.</p><p></p><p>Ron Paul is/was famous as Dr. No but aside from voting to keep Congress inside Constitutional restraints, another reason for so many No votes was the simple fact that so much legislation is never forthcoming enough to allow anyone to read it. Would you walk into a voting both to vote for a candidate that you've never even heard of? I know scores of Americans who do just that very thing and I'll bet good money some of them are even in this forum and represent both sides of the fictional political spectrum. Nothing like controlled opposition.</p><p></p><p>The idea is to cut a deal in which you are able to tack on something to bring the pork home to the district so you can maintain your office and regardless of anything else, you're gonna vote for it out of sheer self interest and be damn what the rest of it does. Even Paul himself fell more than once into that hog trough. You can't live with the hogs and not expect to ever get any mud on you.</p><p></p><p>Ever wonder why the latest bill for example to fund some military jet also within it's pages has funds set aside to build a park in one town, pave a road in another and yet in the bill is also a mandate that all tires for the new jets must come from BillyBob's World of Tires and Wheels? I've got the congressional leadership vote locked in with campaign funds and perk trips abroad to make the home folks think their guy is important and now we spread out the pork and special interests to get the votes to carry the day. You need my vote, so what can you give me or better yet, I'll vote for your bill if you will co-sponsor and vote for mine. Now we have 2 pieces of terrible legislation that they can friend##k us with. Tip O'Neil is famous for saying, "All politics is local" and he was right on many levels.</p><p></p><p>You wanna know who runs Washington so to speak? A bunch of 20 and 30 somethings called legislative assistants who actually write the legislation (most times handed to them by think tanks and special interests) and work the deals behind the scenes. They may have some clue what is in the legislation but find out what lobby group controls them and then you have a better idea. The President and the Congresspeople are pure window dressing. Fictional make belief characters, sock puppets contorted and controlled by the storylines sold to us like some wrestling script sheet with all the heroes, villains, heels and babyfaces that our heart would desire. And we even get the Battle Royal eg fiscal cliff every so often to keep us buying tickets for the next match and filling those seats. </p><p></p><p>PT Stewie in another post (I liked it too and nice job PT) quoted Robert the Bruce (the elder) from Braveheart and the Jeffery Pelt character in The Hunt for Red October that you also liked. Both quotes albeit fictional are yet instructional in how politicians really work. The dialogue with the Robert the Bruce quote centers around the fact that Senior was trying to explain to Junior the importance of playing both sides in a conflict or in other words being 2 faced at all times in order to serve self interests. </p><p></p><p>In the case of Pelt talking with Jack Ryan, it was a straight out admission of the treachery and deception that politicians play and although both are fictional portrayals, I would assert them instructive and also a true representation of the real. Your response suggests deep down you know that to be true as well. Now the question begs, why do you continue to support a system whose outcomes are known to be the workings of absolute dishonest men and yet expecting outcomes of honest and wholesome results?</p><p></p><p>Should WE not begin to grow a set, wake the friend##K Up and Man the friend##k Up. Following Tip O' Neil's quote towards a conclusion, if "all politics is local" then "make gov't itself local."</p><p></p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 1076408, member: 2189"] People make a big deal that legislation is not read but the public has deceived itself that Congress has ever really read most legislation. Michael Moore in making Fahrenheit 9/11 asked Congressman John Conyers about why he voted for the Patriot Act and in the discourse Moore mentioned reading the bill to which Conyers stated the following (a direct quote): Get mad and blame Conyers or hate Moore all you want but you've been living in a dreamworld Neo. I tip my hat to Moore for asking the right question, may not have been his intent, but it got Conyers to at least admit it on celluloid. And not that he's the first either. Ron Paul is/was famous as Dr. No but aside from voting to keep Congress inside Constitutional restraints, another reason for so many No votes was the simple fact that so much legislation is never forthcoming enough to allow anyone to read it. Would you walk into a voting both to vote for a candidate that you've never even heard of? I know scores of Americans who do just that very thing and I'll bet good money some of them are even in this forum and represent both sides of the fictional political spectrum. Nothing like controlled opposition. The idea is to cut a deal in which you are able to tack on something to bring the pork home to the district so you can maintain your office and regardless of anything else, you're gonna vote for it out of sheer self interest and be damn what the rest of it does. Even Paul himself fell more than once into that hog trough. You can't live with the hogs and not expect to ever get any mud on you. Ever wonder why the latest bill for example to fund some military jet also within it's pages has funds set aside to build a park in one town, pave a road in another and yet in the bill is also a mandate that all tires for the new jets must come from BillyBob's World of Tires and Wheels? I've got the congressional leadership vote locked in with campaign funds and perk trips abroad to make the home folks think their guy is important and now we spread out the pork and special interests to get the votes to carry the day. You need my vote, so what can you give me or better yet, I'll vote for your bill if you will co-sponsor and vote for mine. Now we have 2 pieces of terrible legislation that they can friend##k us with. Tip O'Neil is famous for saying, "All politics is local" and he was right on many levels. You wanna know who runs Washington so to speak? A bunch of 20 and 30 somethings called legislative assistants who actually write the legislation (most times handed to them by think tanks and special interests) and work the deals behind the scenes. They may have some clue what is in the legislation but find out what lobby group controls them and then you have a better idea. The President and the Congresspeople are pure window dressing. Fictional make belief characters, sock puppets contorted and controlled by the storylines sold to us like some wrestling script sheet with all the heroes, villains, heels and babyfaces that our heart would desire. And we even get the Battle Royal eg fiscal cliff every so often to keep us buying tickets for the next match and filling those seats. PT Stewie in another post (I liked it too and nice job PT) quoted Robert the Bruce (the elder) from Braveheart and the Jeffery Pelt character in The Hunt for Red October that you also liked. Both quotes albeit fictional are yet instructional in how politicians really work. The dialogue with the Robert the Bruce quote centers around the fact that Senior was trying to explain to Junior the importance of playing both sides in a conflict or in other words being 2 faced at all times in order to serve self interests. In the case of Pelt talking with Jack Ryan, it was a straight out admission of the treachery and deception that politicians play and although both are fictional portrayals, I would assert them instructive and also a true representation of the real. Your response suggests deep down you know that to be true as well. Now the question begs, why do you continue to support a system whose outcomes are known to be the workings of absolute dishonest men and yet expecting outcomes of honest and wholesome results? Should WE not begin to grow a set, wake the friend##K Up and Man the friend##k Up. Following Tip O' Neil's quote towards a conclusion, if "all politics is local" then "make gov't itself local." :peaceful: [/QUOTE]
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