How Does the White House Counter "Dissent" At Town Halls Meeting? Plants!

[bbsam]

Obama will go down in history as the greatest tax and spender since FDR.

Is that what Republicans are reduced to? Name calling and nothing more? A complex country, political system and economy and it's all boiled down to "tax and spend", "liberal", "blame America first", "war on Christmas", "death panels", and "socialism". William friend. Buckley would be ashamed.... You do know who William friend. Buckley was don't you?

 

[tieguy]

Is that what Republicans are reduced to? Name calling and nothing more? A complex country, political system and economy and it's all boiled down to "tax and spend", "liberal", "blame America first", "war on Christmas", "death panels", and "socialism". William friend. Buckley would be ashamed.... You do know who William friend. Buckley was don't you?

Dude see the numbers? He's spending at a record pace. You want me to sugercoat it somehow?

 

[MC4YOU2]

I will ask this again:

"what has obama done?"

I heard this guy on Bloomberg the other day talking about why any country would buy our debt. He said that when Bush left our national debt was 6% of GDP now it is at 14% and obama wants to increase it even more.

Begin to hange worthless far right policy that favored industry and left out the middle class that led to the current debacle. Amazing that the overriding thought from Republicans is that somehow Obama could just keep on chugging on Bush's old tired ideas and everything would just work itself out. You can stand there with your "show me attitude' but it will not move things along any smoother.

The National Debt/GDP ratio would still be drifting apart even if spending was level with last year, as long as global markets continue to spiral, as we are all linked to them. I wonder if you believe that if Obama did not make any changes from Bush if we would be better off?
Do you actually believe that reaching out to attempt to assemble a coalition of allies that actually support us is not worthwhile? Do you believe that leaving health care in the current state of dismal down turn brought on by decades (not just Bush's tenure) of poor management is an efficient method of bringing about change that is desperately needed? If Warren Buffet believes that we are making the right financial moves is that not saying that maybe he's on the right track? How does your financial savvy compare to Warren's?

 

[tieguy]

Begin to hange worthless far right policy that favored industry and left out the middle class that led to the current debacle. Amazing that the overriding thought from Republicans is that somehow Obama could just keep on chugging on Bush's old tired ideas and everything would just work itself out. You can stand there with your "show me attitude' but it will not move things along any smoother.

I don't know about you but this middle class person saw his taxes get cut. thats pretty good stuff.

The National Debt/GDP ratio would still be drifting apart even if spending was level with last year, as long as global markets continue to spiral, as we are all linked to them.

thats a poor excuse for throwing trillions of dollars around. Kind of like saying its ok to shoot yourself to treat a broken leg.

I wonder if you believe that if Obama did not make any changes from Bush if we would be better off?

What changes did he make other then to take Bushs spending and increase it ten fold?

Do you actually believe that reaching out to attempt to assemble a coalition of allies that actually support us is not worthwhile? Do you believe that leaving health care in the current state of dismal down turn brought on by decades (not just Bush's tenure) of poor management is an efficient method of bringing about change that is desperately needed? If Warren Buffet believes that we are making the right financial moves is that not saying that maybe he's on the right track? How does your financial savvy compare to Warren's?

I think you need to go back and revisit warren buffet. Warren thinks Obama is taking on too much debt.

 

[klein]

I think you need to go back and revisit warren buffet. Warren thinks Obama is taking on too much debt.

All I will say is Obama promised change !
And thats why he got elected (main reason).
And he's doing his best to keep his promise but contstantly runs against walls with stubborn Republicans.
Change is needed ! No matter what any of you think.
It simply won't work going old ways.

 

[tieguy]

All I will say is Obama promised change !
And thats why he got elected (main reason).
And he's doing his best to keep his promise but contstantly runs against walls with stubborn Republicans.
Change is needed ! No matter what any of you think.
It simply won't work going old ways.

Not sure how you can blame the republicans. we do not have the voting power to stop him from doing everything.

Obama really has not changed anything other then increasing the bush spending ten fold.

So the old ways continue or have been increased.


Now If I was going to throw 3 trillon dollars around I find working americans who pay their bills every month and pay their mortgages off. The economy would have turned around in three months doing that.

 

[1989]

Begin to hange worthless far right policy that favored industry and left out the middle class that led to the current debacle. Amazing that the overriding thought from Republicans is that somehow Obama could just keep on chugging on Bush's old tired ideas and everything would just work itself out. You can stand there with your "show me attitude' but it will not move things along any smoother.


Lets be specific. we'll start with this: Which policy are you refering to? What did obama do to change it? And what was the outcome or the intended outcome?

Why do you think the middle class was left out? My income more than doubled between 2000 and 2008. Was I the only one? You sound like a victim. Stop being a victim.

I liked the idea for CFC but I think the middle class was left out because I think very few people in the middle class participated.

 

[klein]

Now If I was going to throw 3 trillon dollars around I find working americans who pay their bills every month and pay their mortgages off. The economy would have turned around in three months doing that.

You and I think totally different.
Sure give it to them, that are not as much in need instead.
Don't give a crap about the layoffs others would face, or the ones out of a job.
No, just give it to the working people.

You know something, if it isn't for the small ones, who will pay the the upper ones in the future ?
Let all others go into bankrupty, lose thier homes, be homeless.
What benifit will you really have? Even your house would lose soo much in value.
American cars being absolite.
Yes, you would have a house paid off, but I bet eventually no more packages to deliver. And soon out of a job yourself.

It would have been another repeat of the great depression.
More job losses = less income taxes revenue but more expenses such as Unemployment payments, healthcare, welfare, etc.

Do you really want your ghettos to grow even larger ? Your the only western country that even has them.

 

[tieguy]

You and I think totally different.
Sure give it to them, that are not as much in need instead.
Don't give a crap about the layoffs others would face, or the ones out of a job.
No, just give it to the working people.


You know something, if it isn't for the small ones, who will pay the the upper ones in the future ?

small whats? are we talking about penises now?

Let all others go into bankrupty, lose thier homes, be homeless.
What benifit will you really have? Even your house would lose soo much in value.
American cars being absolite.
Yes, you would have a house paid off, but I bet eventually no more packages to deliver. And soon out of a job yourself.

It would have been another repeat of the great depression.
More job losses = less income taxes revenue but more expenses such as Unemployment payments, healthcare, welfare, etc.

Do you really want your ghettos to grow even larger ? Your the only western country that even has them.

I don't think you got it. I don't think Obama should have spent the three point two trillon. If However he is hell bent and determined to do so then take those people who have worked hard to be respectable citizens and pay their mortgages off. they would then go out and buy new cars, and boats and big screen tv's and bigger houses and so on and so on do a lot to instantly revive this economy.

As it is now once we get done paving the roads the money runs out without any direct benift from the three trillon dollars.

Your mindset does indirectly represent the way germans and canadians think economically. It gives us good insight on why Americas economy tends to be so far advanced.

 

[TechGrrl]

I don't think you got it. I don't think Obama should have spent the three point two trillon. If However he is hell bent and determined to do so then take those people who have worked hard to be respectable citizens and pay their mortgages off. they would then go out and buy new cars, and boats and big screen tv's and bigger houses and so on and so on do a lot to instantly revive this economy.

As it is now once we get done paving the roads the money runs out without any direct benefit from the three trillion dollars.

There is a huge difference between spending and investment. Buying TVs and cars is spending on rapidly depreciating stuff. Paving roads is investment in infrastructure, most of which is in pretty sad shape in this country.

Most of the stimulus money hasn't been spent yet.

As far as I'm concerned, you want to help people pay their mortgages, change the bankruptcy law so the judge can cram down their mortgage. We gave the banks a smile*load of money, and they are still screwing people on their mortgages.

 

[tieguy]

There is a huge difference between spending and investment. Buying TVs and cars is spending on rapidly depreciating stuff. Paving roads is investment in infrastructure, most of which is in pretty sad shape in this country.

Most of the stimulus money hasn't been spent yet.

As far as I'm concerned, you want to help people pay their mortgages, change the bankruptcy law so the judge can cram down their mortgage. We gave the banks a smile*load of money, and they are still screwing people on their mortgages.

I dont want to spend the three trillon dollars. but if i have to then use it to get the economy growing. Not for paving roads and pork projects.

 

[Babagounj]

http://www.tcunation.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2476373%3ABlogPost%3A259852

Another fine example of how bho manages his style of a townhall. And with a UPS connection.

 

[klein]

Your mindset does indirectly represent the way germans and canadians think economically. It gives us good insight on why Americas economy tends to be so far advanced.

I'll give you "hausaufgaben" meaning homework :

When was the last time the US had a trade surplus ?
(hint: many , many years ago).

When was the last time Germany or Canada had a trade deficit ?
(hint: many, many years ago )!

Thats how advanced the american economy is ?
Buy more then you sell ?
Thats like going to work, and paying to be there !

 

[Babagounj]

Thats like going to work, and paying to be there !

or going to the bar and having a drink while being paid by UPS?

 

[tieguy]

or going to the bar and having a drink while being paid by UPS?

I guess we should be grateful someone with so much insight and judgement is now willing to spend his entire unemployed life here educating us.

was der Bauer nicht kennt der Bauer nicht essen​

 

[diesel96]

Obama will go down in history as the greatest tax and spender since FDR.

And what do you call Reagan, Bush I and Bush II ?.....Chump Change
I see we are still perpetuating the myth of Republicans equals small Gov't ...lol

Why do you think the middle class was left out? My income more than doubled between 2000 and 2008. Was I the only one? You sound like a victim. Stop being a victim.

I liked the idea for CFC but I think the middle class was left out because I think very few people in the middle class participated.

Ask any other hourly employee if there enjoying the wages and benefits your Union has negotiated and obtained between 2000-2008

Objectively we have invested 3.2 trillion in the hope it will ignite this economy. The conservative bet would be to cut spending and decrease taxes to kick start the economy. The benefit of the conservative mindset is it cuts your losses and minimize your risk. If this 3.2 trillion dollar experiment does not work then the consequences could reasonably be catastrophic. The assumption made by the democrats is that things can not get worse. Thus the argument made to give Obama a chance. In reality if Obamas 3.2 trillion dollar experiment does not work then the house will burn down and burn quickly. there are many potential levels of disaster that can await us if Obamas experiment does not work that make the current level of despair look like a vacation.

I was alive and cognizant during the carter years. His 21 percent interest rates strangled this country. The current mess is a breeze compared to the Carter years.

"the conservative mindset is it cut" taxes for the wealthy and privileged and do nothing. Their incapable of cutting spending as demonstrated by the last eight years.....ooops---30 yrs

SPIEGEL Interview with Former US Diplomat John Bolton

Sorry, but IMO, you can't get more Neo-Con-ish than John Bolten. He's another one that just strikes fear in the un-suspecting and another hawk looking to make a profit by seperating himself from Bush in yet another book...

You have a nice list here of Clintons alleged anti-terrorist successes. The problem here is you don't measure the success by what you claim you stopped but by what you did not stop. Attached a list of major terrorist actions. Notice the list stops with 9/11. Bush definitely put the processes in and stopped that trend. Hard to argue with that kind of success.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120504001557/http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/chronology.html

After lecturing everyone on how Bush kept us safe, you now say "you don't measure the success by what you claim you stopped ".......

 

[tieguy]

And what do you call Reagan, Bush I and Bush II ?.....Chump Change
I see we are still perpetuating the myth of Republicans equals small Gov't ...lol

There is a good chance that reagan , and the two bushs collectively will not have spent as much as obama. Now that is scarey.

 

[wkmac]

Sorry, but IMO, you can't get more Neo-Con-ish than John Bolten. He's another one that just strikes fear in the un-suspecting and another hawk looking to make a profit by seperating himself from Bush in yet another book...

Welcome to "To Tell The Truth"

Now let's meet today's contestants.

My name is John Bolton


My Name is John Bolton


My Name is John Bolton


Panelists, let's start the questioning with Kitty Carlisle

 

[1989]

Ask any other hourly employee if there enjoying the wages and benefits your Union has negotiated and obtained between 2000-2008

Really, all drivers are making over $180K a year.
I only made about $74K last year at UPS, I must not have been included in those negotiations.

 

[diesel96]

And what do you call Reagan, Bush I and Bush II ?.....Chump Change
I see we are still perpetuating the myth of Republicans equals small Gov't ...lol

There is a good chance that reagan , and the two bushs collectively will not have spent as much as obama. Now that is scarey.

Understand that any President elected in 2008 was going to be advised by top economists to spend to prevent a "Great Depression"-like freefall and also create a recovery stimulus pkg. Problem is niether plan is going to eradicate our debt completely in four years, maybe more. However, IMO formed by top economist opinions, Obama's plan will cut the debt and unemployment figures significantly more than the keep the "tax cut" for the rich and "stay the course" do nothing Republican plans.

Welcome to "To Tell The Truth"

Now let's meet today's contestants.

My name is John Bolton

My Name is John Bolton

My Name is John Bolton

Panelists, let's start the questioning with Kitty Carlisle

Guest panel also include Soupy Sales and Nipsy Russell...

Ask any other hourly employee if there enjoying the wages and benefits your Union has negotiated and obtained between 2000-2008

Really, all drivers are making over $180K a year.
I only made about $74K last year at UPS, I must not have been included in those negotiations.

Really ? Forgot something ? Like business expenses ? Overhead, storage, Maintenance, gas, wear and tear depreciation, food, occasional lodging, tolls, healthcare, truck insurance, excessive hr's/days/weeks over the road away from family....
What do you mean by "All drivers" ? Am I misinterpeting your post ? Cause you make it sound like UPS drivers are the lowest paid drivers in the carrier industry...
Anyway, there's no statistics yet for class of citizens who participated in the CFC program. It was more about the new vehicles being purchased qualified as a significant improvement in MPG than the clunker traded in.