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<blockquote data-quote="satellitedriver" data-source="post: 597916" data-attributes="member: 1664"><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">I read up, Jon. </span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">I am not a wiz kid with cut and paste, but I will try to show that USPS started out under Constitutional protection and after the 1970's reorganization act still is a a Federally controlled entity.</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #cc0000">The Post Office Department</span></span></strong></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Following the adoption of the Constitution in May 1789, the Act of September 22, 1789 (1 Stat. 70), temporarily established a post office and created the Office of the Postmaster General. On September 26, 1789.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The Postal Service was temporarily continued by the Act of August 4, 1790 (1 Stat. 178), and the Act of March 3, 1791 (1 Stat. 218). The Act of February 20, 1792, made detailed provisions for the Post Office. Subsequent legislation enlarged the duties of the Post Office, strengthened and unified its organization, and provided rules and regulations for its development.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">OK, </span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen">I know that was then, lets fast forward to the 70's.</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p><p>The <strong>Postal Reorganization Act of 1970</strong> abolished the United States Post Office Department, a part of the cabinet, and created the United States Postal Service, <strong>a corporation-like independent agency with an official monopoly<span style="color: DarkGreen">(official monopoly?)</span> on the delivery of mail in the United States.</strong> Pub.L. 91-375 was signed by President Richard Nixon on August 12, 1970</p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: DarkGreen">I really love this double speak;</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></strong></p><p>The USPS is often mistaken for a government-owned corporation (e.g., Amtrak), but as noted above is legally<strong><span style="color: DarkGreen">(legally is the key word)</span></strong> defined as an "independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States," (39 U.S.C. § 201) as it is wholly owned by the government<strong><span style="color: DarkGreen">(wholly owned? By the government?)</span></strong> and controlled by the <strong>Presidential</strong><span style="color: DarkGreen">( <strong>as in, the big guy</strong>)</span>appointees and the Postmaster General. As a quasi-governmental agency,<strong><span style="color: DarkGreen">( I really like the word quasi, it just rolls off the tongue)</span></strong> it has many<strong><span style="color: DarkGreen">(many!!!)</span></strong> special privileges, including sovereign immunity, eminent domain powers, powers to negotiate postal treaties with foreign nations, and an exclusive<strong><span style="color: DarkGreen">( exclusive)</span></strong> legal<strong><span style="color: DarkGreen">( there's that" legal" word again)</span></strong> right to deliver first-class and third-class mail.</p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: DarkGreen">Prime example of how the Post office is not really controlled by our Federal Government.<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/funny.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":funny:" title="Funny :funny:" data-shortname=":funny:" /></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong>Independent agencies</strong> of the United States federal government are those agencies that exist outside of the federal executive departments (those headed by a Cabinet secretary). However, most independent agencies are part of the executive branch, with only a few being part of the legislative or judicial branches.</p><p>Established through separate statutes passed by the Congress, each respective statutory grant of authority defines the goals the agency must work towards, as well as what substantive areas, if any, over which it may have the power of rule making. <strong>These agency rules (or regulations), while in force, have the power of federal law.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: DarkGreen">Power of federal law?</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: DarkGreen">If this is not a shell game, I have never seen one.</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: DarkGreen">Jon, </span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: DarkGreen">I will defer to you that USPS is no longer protected under the Constitution, but it is still under Federal control (meaning our tax dollars) and that will never go away.</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: DarkGreen">They can change the name,</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: DarkGreen">but,</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: DarkGreen">it is still the same game.<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="satellitedriver, post: 597916, member: 1664"] [COLOR=DarkGreen]I read up, Jon. I am not a wiz kid with cut and paste, but I will try to show that USPS started out under Constitutional protection and after the 1970's reorganization act still is a a Federally controlled entity. [/COLOR] [B][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#cc0000]The Post Office Department[/COLOR][/FONT][/B] [FONT=Verdana]Following the adoption of the Constitution in May 1789, the Act of September 22, 1789 (1 Stat. 70), temporarily established a post office and created the Office of the Postmaster General. On September 26, 1789. The Postal Service was temporarily continued by the Act of August 4, 1790 (1 Stat. 178), and the Act of March 3, 1791 (1 Stat. 218). The Act of February 20, 1792, made detailed provisions for the Post Office. Subsequent legislation enlarged the duties of the Post Office, strengthened and unified its organization, and provided rules and regulations for its development. [/FONT] [COLOR=DarkGreen]OK, I know that was then, lets fast forward to the 70's. [/COLOR] The [B]Postal Reorganization Act of 1970[/B] abolished the United States Post Office Department, a part of the cabinet, and created the United States Postal Service, [B]a corporation-like independent agency with an official monopoly[COLOR=DarkGreen](official monopoly?)[/COLOR] on the delivery of mail in the United States.[/B] Pub.L. 91-375 was signed by President Richard Nixon on August 12, 1970 [B][COLOR=DarkGreen]I really love this double speak; [/COLOR][/B] The USPS is often mistaken for a government-owned corporation (e.g., Amtrak), but as noted above is legally[B][COLOR=DarkGreen](legally is the key word)[/COLOR][/B] defined as an "independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States," (39 U.S.C. § 201) as it is wholly owned by the government[B][COLOR=DarkGreen](wholly owned? By the government?)[/COLOR][/B] and controlled by the [B]Presidential[/B][COLOR=DarkGreen]( [B]as in, the big guy[/B])[/COLOR]appointees and the Postmaster General. As a quasi-governmental agency,[B][COLOR=DarkGreen]( I really like the word quasi, it just rolls off the tongue)[/COLOR][/B] it has many[B][COLOR=DarkGreen](many!!!)[/COLOR][/B] special privileges, including sovereign immunity, eminent domain powers, powers to negotiate postal treaties with foreign nations, and an exclusive[B][COLOR=DarkGreen]( exclusive)[/COLOR][/B] legal[B][COLOR=DarkGreen]( there's that" legal" word again)[/COLOR][/B] right to deliver first-class and third-class mail. [B][COLOR=DarkGreen]Prime example of how the Post office is not really controlled by our Federal Government.:funny:[/COLOR][/B] [B]Independent agencies[/B] of the United States federal government are those agencies that exist outside of the federal executive departments (those headed by a Cabinet secretary). However, most independent agencies are part of the executive branch, with only a few being part of the legislative or judicial branches. Established through separate statutes passed by the Congress, each respective statutory grant of authority defines the goals the agency must work towards, as well as what substantive areas, if any, over which it may have the power of rule making. [B]These agency rules (or regulations), while in force, have the power of federal law. [COLOR=DarkGreen]Power of federal law? If this is not a shell game, I have never seen one. Jon, I will defer to you that USPS is no longer protected under the Constitution, but it is still under Federal control (meaning our tax dollars) and that will never go away. They can change the name, but, it is still the same game.:peaceful: [/COLOR][/B] [/QUOTE]
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