i got terminated today

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by elrey6186, May 17, 2011.

  1. elrey6186

    elrey6186 New Member

    i work the mt vernon pre-load and have worked there for 5 years i was told today that i was terminated due to sabotage, according to two fulltime sup's i purposely sorted 60+ packages that were supposed to go to the red belt on to the orange belt which goes to the yonkers slide. they say that this is direct sabotage and that i am terminated, my shop steward told them that the could not do this but i was still sent home and now have to wait to speak to my B/A does it look like i am out of a job?
     
  2. iamupser

    iamupser I'm Institutionized

    If you can't get your job back for making an honest mistake, why do you pay dues?
     
  3. elrey6186

    elrey6186 New Member

    good question.... but what do you think will happen
     
  4. barnyard

    barnyard KTM rider Staff Member

    If your BA is with the program at all, you should be able to get your job back. If the termination should have been a suspension, you can also file a grievance for back pay if/when you get your job back.
     
  5. steward71

    steward71 Active Member

    Don't wait on the BA call that union hall raise holly sh**. You pay dues call and file right now. UPS has to show you did this action. It is just another super sup try to show they have stronger pi** then the other.
     
  6. raceanoncr

    raceanoncr Well-Known Member

    Yes, totally! And always remember: There are two types of grievances and two types of proof.

    1. If there has been a contract violation, we/you file a grievance. We/union have to prove there was a violation.

    2. If there has been discipline, as in this case, we/you file a grievance. THEY/COMPANY then have to PROVE there was a violation.

    In this case, the company TOTALLY and WITHOUT QUESTION have to prove what you did was intentional.

    Go for it and don't delay!
     
  7. User Name

    User Name Only 230 Today?? lol

    Have you been disciplined before for misloads?
     
  8. steward71

    steward71 Active Member

    even if she or she has been disciplined this is still agaisnt the agreement. when i have filed for the types of things for people. i always define the two 1. misort is done by a sorter and misloads done by a loader. this is action is agaisnt Art. 7 which allows for working termination not a walking termination. Even if you have been disciplined for misorts before like a warning then 3 day then 5 day it will still be a working termination and the company will have to prove you did this with intent. File under Art. 7 and any all Art. that may apply. FILE THIS GRIEVANCE NOW DO NOT WAIT. MEAN WHAT YOU SAY AND DO WHAT YOU MEAN.
     
  9. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Am I the only who noticed that the OP never denied doing what he was accused of? If it was indeed willful then I support the termination.
     
  10. kingOFchester

    kingOFchester Well-Known Member

    How do you miss-sort 60+ packages when you have worked for UPS for 5 years? Just asking.
     
  11. Sleeve_meet_Heart

    Sleeve_meet_Heart making the unreadable unreadabler

    It's easy and happened to me about 5 years ago. I was a pickoff, took over for someone who was leaving, and they did not tell me about the "sort change". ...

    management was furious and they had me go grab all 100 or so packages missorted, but it was their fault for not telling me there had been a change.
     
  12. quietquilter

    quietquilter New Member

    What is your discipline history?
     
  13. quietquilter

    quietquilter New Member

    And you didnt get fired
     
  14. kingOFchester

    kingOFchester Well-Known Member


    Ahhh, got it.
     
  15. packageguy

    packageguy Well-Known Member


    I think you have a good shot, pending what your past history is, If you are not a problem to them in the past they will use you as an example. To scare the other preloads to do the right thing. Good luck let us know what happens.
     
  16. whiskey

    whiskey New Member

    Great second post. Welcome to brown cafe.
     
  17. elrey6186

    elrey6186 New Member

    i dont have a history of mis sorts @ all im just not liked because i go by the book ie/ speak up about supervisors working and unsafe work conditions. i couldnt even go into the building today because they said im treminated, i had to speak to my b/a outside of the bldg as well as the labor manager. these people are really trying to get me out of there what im saying is how can they prove that what happend was not a simple mistake and done intentionally no matter how many mis sorts there are. and yes it was not done on purpose, it sounds like my b/a isnt really putting up much of fight or making much noise he just kept saying wait and see and there gonna pay you while your out. im more worried about continuing to be paid and keeping my job
     
  18. Just Numbers

    Just Numbers Retired

    I see nothing in the post about this being a mistake.
     
  19. elrey6186

    elrey6186 New Member

    thats your opinion
     
  20. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    You never denied what you were terminated for.