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<blockquote data-quote="college boy" data-source="post: 254960" data-attributes="member: 12128"><p>Let me start off by saying only Central States participants should be voting on the issue concerning their pension! This alone should be a red flag. I wouldn't want to vote on your pension and be responsible for making a wrong decision for your future. The contributions placed in CS Plan were placed there in my name not yours. I'm telling you this is a complete snow job. No one knows what the hell is going on here, not even local union reps. I'm all for getting out of CS, but not at the expense of 15 full-time years of service. The 6.1 billion going into the fund is for the general membership. With no more money going in it will be exhausted through a progression of full benefit, reduced benefit and then no benefit (federal bailout)! When UPS pulls out, even if others do not follow, no new teamsters joining will contribute to CS ie. UPS freight members! NO NEW CONTRIBUTIONS!!!!!!!! The fund will die and Article 34 of the contract addresses this as you have read and it does it so vaugely. Hey earmark the money (6.1 bil) going into CS for UPSers only or let UPS start there new fund and assume all my pension obligatios. But as it stands now, Chevy Man, I will get 2 checks, one from CS Plan and one from UPS for ever how many years I work starting Jan 2008. All we want to know is what the HELL is going on now and going to happen in the future with our pension! Vote No for this reason! The contract is also set up to take GWI's from us, most likely for health benefits and you can bet your sweet ass that since its in the conrtact they are going to do it. The big question is how often. Hey, you already share your health welfare and pension contributions with the general membership ( for every $ UPS gives you get about .40 of that) do you want to share your raise with them as well! Bull****!!!!!! As for as Feeder dialog in the contract goes it keeps differentiating between bargaining unit and UPS bargaining unit. I have been a feeder driver for 4 years now and was just told that a UPS Freight hub in the south is going to post 18 new sleeper team runs at the beging of the year. Bargaing unit means teamster not necessarily UPS teamster. We have been told that a concession for the CS buyout was it would be easier for the IBT to organize UPS Freight and would soften the language on subcontracting ( they make less per hour). Think about it! WE NEED STRONGER LANGUAGE TO PROTECT OUR JOBS THE WE HAVE WORKED SO HARD TO CREATE. THERE IS NO OTHER IBT JOBS AS TOUGH AS THE UPS PACKAGE DRIVER AND HE SHOULD HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO MOVE UP AND ON TO FEEDER IF THE JOB CREATES ITSELF! YOU READ THIS CONTRACT AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELF, YOU MAKE THIS CO A BILLION PLUS $ A QUARTER PROFIT! I'M VOTING NO BECAUSE OF THE CENTRAL STATES ISSUE AND THE REST OF THE REASONS I POSTED.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="college boy, post: 254960, member: 12128"] Let me start off by saying only Central States participants should be voting on the issue concerning their pension! This alone should be a red flag. I wouldn't want to vote on your pension and be responsible for making a wrong decision for your future. The contributions placed in CS Plan were placed there in my name not yours. I'm telling you this is a complete snow job. No one knows what the hell is going on here, not even local union reps. I'm all for getting out of CS, but not at the expense of 15 full-time years of service. The 6.1 billion going into the fund is for the general membership. With no more money going in it will be exhausted through a progression of full benefit, reduced benefit and then no benefit (federal bailout)! When UPS pulls out, even if others do not follow, no new teamsters joining will contribute to CS ie. UPS freight members! NO NEW CONTRIBUTIONS!!!!!!!! The fund will die and Article 34 of the contract addresses this as you have read and it does it so vaugely. Hey earmark the money (6.1 bil) going into CS for UPSers only or let UPS start there new fund and assume all my pension obligatios. But as it stands now, Chevy Man, I will get 2 checks, one from CS Plan and one from UPS for ever how many years I work starting Jan 2008. All we want to know is what the HELL is going on now and going to happen in the future with our pension! Vote No for this reason! The contract is also set up to take GWI's from us, most likely for health benefits and you can bet your sweet ass that since its in the conrtact they are going to do it. The big question is how often. Hey, you already share your health welfare and pension contributions with the general membership ( for every $ UPS gives you get about .40 of that) do you want to share your raise with them as well! Bull****!!!!!! As for as Feeder dialog in the contract goes it keeps differentiating between bargaining unit and UPS bargaining unit. I have been a feeder driver for 4 years now and was just told that a UPS Freight hub in the south is going to post 18 new sleeper team runs at the beging of the year. Bargaing unit means teamster not necessarily UPS teamster. We have been told that a concession for the CS buyout was it would be easier for the IBT to organize UPS Freight and would soften the language on subcontracting ( they make less per hour). Think about it! WE NEED STRONGER LANGUAGE TO PROTECT OUR JOBS THE WE HAVE WORKED SO HARD TO CREATE. THERE IS NO OTHER IBT JOBS AS TOUGH AS THE UPS PACKAGE DRIVER AND HE SHOULD HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO MOVE UP AND ON TO FEEDER IF THE JOB CREATES ITSELF! YOU READ THIS CONTRACT AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELF, YOU MAKE THIS CO A BILLION PLUS $ A QUARTER PROFIT! I'M VOTING NO BECAUSE OF THE CENTRAL STATES ISSUE AND THE REST OF THE REASONS I POSTED. [/QUOTE]
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