IE caught red handed!!!
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stevetheupsguy
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Funny how you come on the internet and hide behind your screen name, yet try to taunt hourlies. My name is who I am, I ain't hiding, not from you or anyone. Oh, and if anyone's gonna be hanging their head, it'll be you suffering the effects of the full nelson I just let you out of. I'm sure your insurance will cover the neck brace you'll be needing, tough guy/gal.
Dragon
Package Center Manager
They may have changed the area number. If the management team has access (which I doubt) to change the I.E. time allowance then there is about to be a show down in that building...
You cannot change any time allowances in DPS (Dispatch Package System) they are downloaded and match GTS (Global Time card System). Center Team's cannot edit allowances in GTS but you can look at your center standards there. DPS is where your center plan is made and your EDD is built.
You cannot change any time allowances in DPS (Dispatch Package System) they are downloaded and match GTS (Global Time card System). Center Team's cannot edit allowances in GTS but you can look at your center standards there. DPS is where your center plan is made and your EDD is built.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
That is what my discussions with others who are close to these systems indicated as well.
In addition, even if DPS were changed, the WOR is not affected.
If any of these allowances were changed, a report will have those changes on it.
Changes will stick out like a sore thumb.
dilligafah,
If your management did change the actual allowances in WOR or GTS, you will be reporting to a new management team soon.
stevetheupsguy
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There you go again, cooperating.
Thanks for the clarification.
Lue C Fur
Evil member
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Your point of view doesn't matter. You work as instructed. If you don't like it pick a door and leave. That's what I would tell you if I was your supervisor. Now don't get me wrong, I would wait for you off the job site just to watch you put your head down and ignore me. By the by you would do your job as instructed you too.[/QUOTE]
If you talked like that out on the flightline where i work, airplanes would get put where the sun does not shine. Ask any flightline supe...we dont tolerate your kind.
Now go do YOUR JOB and approve time cards and vacations.
Your point of view doesn't matter. You work as instructed. If you don't like it pick a door and leave. That's what I would tell you if I was your supervisor. Now don't get me wrong, I would wait for you off the job site just to watch you put your head down and ignore me. By the by you would do your job as instructed you too.[/QUOTE]
If you talked like that out on the flightline where i work, airplanes would get put where the sun does not shine. Ask any flightline supe...we dont tolerate your kind.
Now go do YOUR JOB and approve time cards and vacations.
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If you talked like that out on the flightline where i work, airplanes would get put where the sun does not shine. Ask any flightline supe...we dont tolerate your kind.
Now go do YOUR JOB and approve time cards and vacations.
[/QUOTE]Your right all your references to the devil and hell would frighten me. I would be scared to talk to you.
satellitedriver
Moderator
cachsux
Wah
More like 50+. Been that way for the last twenty years. Send me the address to your favorite hospital and the check will be waiting when your released.
You should send a thank you card to Al Gore. Without him inventing the internet little chicken**** keyboard toughguys like you would be getting your ass kicked in the real world.
raceanoncr
Well-Known Member
Sick, REAL sick!!!!!!!!!!
atatbl
Well-Known Member
DPS- Dispatch Planning System- This is the utility that is used to dispatch a plan before anyone knows exactly what's coming (previous day). This program controls a majority of what is going on with your load. If you want specifics, you can ask if this controls a specific element... my answer will most likely be yes.
DMS- Dispatch Management System- This is the utility used to make add/cuts during the sort. This is the program that you see/look at when you are finding out how many stops/pieces you have. (There are many more capabilities than add/cuts in this software).
GTS- Global Timecard System- Although it primarily holds timecards, it is the program that produces most of the reports shown to a driver, on road, PDS, or center manager.
PDS- Preload Dispatch Supervisor- This is the guy/gal you most likely dislike. Some run the dispatch AND the preload operation, others have two separate sups to run the op/dispatch (e.g. a sixty car center).
AMS- Address Management System- This uses the Postal Data Standard to populate all U.S. addresses (according to the USPS) and run them through UDC/AMS and create a PAL (Preload Assist Label) that tells the preloader where to put it in your truck. Kudos if you've heard this term before. This probably means you are communicating with your PDS and trying to solve your problems. Hopefully, he/she is not saying AMS just to get you off their back. It's an acronym that usually stops a conversation (even involving only people that know what they're doing and know the system). To put it in perspective; if you really wanted to create a massive, massive service issue with thousands of deliveries, AMS would be the program to start with. Sometimes we in operations fear it. GIGO puts it well. Respect it's use, or it will burn the drivers.
*Disclaimer: I have admittedly simplified the uses/capabilities of these systems. This is NOT because I think the audience is dense. These programs do more than most people can learn/utilize with YEARS of practice. If you want to understand a specific, then let me know and I will be happy to get more detailed. But it would be a waste of bandwidth to even TRY and explain EVERYTHING these utilities do.
Yes, it does.(e.g. IE does a new time study on a center.) Quickest and most accountable method is import via GTS.
I bet you would if I sat you down in front of DPS and said "change the time allowances ONLY using DPS." DPS "controls" the loop/sequence/unit numbers that make a loop/route/center (not respectively). For the drivers out there: the unit number is what controls the time allowances you get for a stop and it's travel time.
:::::What follows may only be interesting to P-Man, but I want to answer him. Don't blame me if you get bored:::::
Referring back to the last answer I gave:
Will he/she? You tell me while you remember how easy it is to forget what you already know that I explain below
Let's set a standard here to save confusion and make it as simple as possible. The PT PDS' goal is to change one route's time allowances (for better or worse..... I don't care....................... I'm never getting married)
The condition is that he/she will use DPS only.
Two ways to open a center in DPS: production, off-line. PT PDS opens offline. Knowing that the SMALLEST unit of dispatch that DPS can import from off-line to production is a loop makes this simple (although it confuses some people).
Three car loop..... referenced for later
PDS opens the 9000 loop. He wants to change the 90C car's time allowances. He decides he will do this the simplest way possible. He will open up the AM (or PM... or all... doesn't matter) stops of the 90C route and change the unit numbers from 5 to 1. Again, I don't care if this adds or takes time, it will inherently do one of the two when applied. (Just for clarity's sake, let's make this a textbook loop. We will go with Clarksville. 90A and unit1 for AM. unit2 for PM. 90B has unit3 for AM. unit4 for PM. 90C has unit5 for AM. unit6 for PM. <------- Before the changes).
Now it's simple. Make sure all other center's are closed on the server (in DPS) and import that 9000 loop from Clarksville's off-line to production. This will require an Active Directory ID/password that allows it.... It would be reasonable to say that even a PT PKG handler could find one of these within minutes if properly motivated. That is not to take anything away from PKG handlers, but just to say that they don't even care about the system and can get the access if need be.
You will have to explain this. The OP is upset that his allowances are changing. There is absolutely, 100%, unarguably NO EFFECT on what will show for a driver's performance (GTS Ops report) based on target paid day, driver ovr/under, other time (i.e. safety), or pickups that are put into DPS. It is very important that this is understood. Nothing can hurt a center team's credibility more that a driver group believing the numbers that a PDS plans you at can give you an advantage/disadvantage. P-Man, make sure you read those four elements. Those four elements being manipulated make the reports that YOU may or may not look at look good. They do not affect reality. There are drivers being planned at 15.75 hour days in DPS that are working 9.79 on average. It is imperative that I note there is truly around 9.79 hours of work on the car. These drivers are scratching or coming in under. We are not REALLY dispatching them with 15 hours. They put in an honest day’s work and get paid an honest day’s work. However, 15 hours is all DPS can come up with due to NO user functionality on anything time/money bearing. It’s important to note that when I say “these drivers” you may be thinking “exception to the rule.” I will retort with “No.” I’ll keep it at that for now. This is one of many, many examples of DPS not being able to "learn" something like exceptional pickup volume or delivery pieces.
I mean absolutely no disrespect when I say this. And maybe it's not even applicable to you. But I believe staff members are lead to believe DPS can actually ADAPT to reality if given the proper user and knowledge. This is not the case. DPS will be upgraded within weeks. I can assure you even more true functionality will be taken from it before this peak. It will be taken in the upgrade.
It's upsetting that much of management (above center manager) believes editing target paid day, pickup pieces/stops, ovr/und, or other/helper time does anything but help the brass sleep at night. That is it's only responsibility. UPS does not plan by paid day in DPS. And if you can show me a center planning by true paid day, I can show you a center that will not be doing it for more than a month. Again, I mean no disrespect if it comes off as too direct. And to be honest, we both know that any driver coming in at 8-9 hours is not profitable in 9999 out of 10,000 scenarios/situations.
I will assume you are saying that for the other readers.
Not to be pompous, but please feel free to point out ANY element of our current version of DPS that encourages or helps expound upon greater dispatch. Furthermore, please inform me where a PDS may start to really “make a difference.” I am positive the management committee would be more pleased with a 16.5% mile reduction from last peak and lower SPC. It would save tens of millions…. Not an exaggeration. But we will NOT do that. Instead, we will boost SPC from the region and let front line sups worry about fitting 500 pkgs in a 10 cube and where the overflow goes instead of running the cars and making a difference from behind the screen.
Dustyroads
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Wow, that sounds pretty complicated. I can remember a few years ago that a center manager wanted to improve my numbers, and he didn't really have that kind of technical expertise to manipulate the allowances, so he came up with another plan. (I work in rural areas with several small towns). He gave me a new town to deliver, where I could get a lot of highway miles getting there. Then I would deliver 20-25 stops in town in about 45 minutes, and then drive away fast to my regular area. Surprise! I was a hour underallowed every day. We did that for a few years until they re-looped the building. 
stevetheupsguy
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Why couldn't UPS come up with their own standard? There is stuff on my route that needs to be fixed that the supe in charge of this very thing say she can't fix because of postal standards. There are street numbers that don't and never will exist getting added to my EDD. There are also pkgs being flipped to my route because the street names are "similar" ( Indian Oak Dr./Indian River Dr), though if she fixed the number break the problem would cease. She says she can't because of POSTAL STANDARDS.
Oh and thanks, atatbl, for all the info. You're a wealth of knowledge.
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
I have found some "top secret" unauthorized spycam footage of our IE department hard at work adjusting time allowances. Its a behind-the scenes glimpse at the ugly truth that UPS doesnt want you to see. Prepare to be shocked.....
atatbl
Well-Known Member
Why couldn't UPS come up with their own standard? There is stuff on my route that needs to be fixed that the supe in charge of this very thing say she can't fix because of postal standards. There are street numbers that don't and never will exist getting added to my EDD. There are also pkgs being flipped to my route because the street names are "similar" ( Indian Oak Dr./Indian River Dr), though if she fixed the number break the problem would cease. She says she can't because of POSTAL STANDARDS.
Oh and thanks, atatbl, for all the info. You're a wealth of knowledge.
She CAN change them (just not using the USPS Standard). She is either scared to do it (which might be reasonable if she's new) or she lacks the skill. Are there other dispatch sups in your building that she could go to for advice?
P.S. Cities and developers don't report growth to UPS. They DO report it to the USPS. Their info is surely more accurate than whatever mess we would come up with.
stevetheupsguy
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I guess I need to push her a bit more for this to be done. I also understand what you're saying about cities and developers giving the USPS a heads up, but is there anything I can have done about stops having 2 instances in EDD? If I go to the stop in EDD they have identical info but may be loaded in different areas of the pkg car. For instance, 2650 NW Federal Hwy occurs twice and can be loaded in FL2 and say 5200, even though the stop info is the same. Same zip, same everything.
brownIEman
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atatbl, if she changes them, by say shortening ranges, those ranges will just come back in every month when they do the data standard update, so she would have to go in and change it for every one of those issues every month? Or is there a way around that?
Steve, as atatbl alludes to, the USPS is for good or ill, the gatekeepers of the zipcode system on which all addressing is based in this country. To try to come up with our own system would create huge amounts of expense and chaos that while it could fix some headaches we have now, in the long run would create more problems that it would solve.
