If Hoffa/hall want a yes vote...

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Atomic_Smurf, Jun 11, 2013.

  1. Atomic_Smurf

    Atomic_Smurf Well-Known Member

    Thinking about this contract & the possible ramifications of voting NO & it occurred to me that the only way to save our healthcare at UPS is to repeal the legislation that is guaranteeing it's demise. The company didn't want to be left holding the liability of paying for a specific plan as prices are expected to increase over 100% in some areas when Obamacare takes full affect in 2014. This increase in premiums isn't without cause. The increase is because those that pay health insurance premiums will suddenly be paying for those that do not. The redistribution of healthcare if you will. As UPSers organize to vote "NO" all over the country, Hoffa/hall need to think about fixing the problem they created by reversing their stance & calling for the full repeal of the Affordable Care Act. It's the only chance we have of saving our healthcare & the only way I'll consider voting yes. Its time for them to man up for their mistakes & remember who they represent. It's time they take a stand for the working class, rank & file Americans that pay their salaries.
     
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  2. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Obamacare doesn't take full effect until 2018. UPS wanted the liability of healthcare off of their books to make themselves look better in the eyes of their shareholders.
     
  3. Atomic_Smurf

    Atomic_Smurf Well-Known Member

    That's the Cadillac tax that takes affect in 2018. Our leadership worked hard to move that implementation date back, for CEOs I guess...
     
  4. Atomic_Smurf

    Atomic_Smurf Well-Known Member

    Its still on the books. They negotiated a set price & pay the union that amount. Smart for the company, considering what is to come.
     
  5. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    I know how it works as I am covered by a Teamster plan. The accounting method used for these payments differs from the one used when they directly provide the coverage hence my statement that the liability is off the books.
     
  6. Atomic_Smurf

    Atomic_Smurf Well-Known Member

    Yes the payments are on a different line but they are still present. UPS still pays, regardless of the "accounting method" used. What UPS has done is tossed the liability of the increased portion of these premiums back on the union. Sort of a way of making our Teamster leaders reap what they've sown. I think we can agree on that.
     
  7. Bagels

    Bagels Family Leave Fridays!!!

    How many threads on this topic have you started? At least a dozen.

    UPS doesn't want your health anymore -- with or without ObamaCare. Get over it.
     
  8. stink219

    stink219 Well-Known Member

    Exactly!!
     
  9. Atomic_Smurf

    Atomic_Smurf Well-Known Member

    UPS doesn't want our health care because of Obamacare, like most other companies when they learn of the consequences of the legislation. Our union brothers and sisters deserve to know that our union leadership & the liberals in Washington supported the demise of our benefits.
     
  10. Bagels

    Bagels Family Leave Fridays!!!

    UPS management has been paying steep fees for its health care for quite some time -- dating back to well before ObamaCare, Obama, and under the Bush Administration. UPS reached a point where it was no longer willing to provide similar benefits to what it had been, and the Teamsters reached a deal to maintain them (for the most part). You and I, and the cost of our health care, are just numbers. Stop fooling yourself in beleiving that UPS cares about you. It doesn't.
     
  11. Atomic_Smurf

    Atomic_Smurf Well-Known Member

    Nobody is pretending that UPS cares about us & you need to stop pretending that Obama cares about you. Fact is UPS provided great health benefits till Obama came along & started "fixing" it. What happens in Washington has real consequences in our lives. Obamas promises of keeping our current insurance plans, lowering premiums & costing tax payers less than a trillion dollars all turned out to be lies.
     
  12. Bagels

    Bagels Family Leave Fridays!!!

    What you've written is a classic example of a logical fallacy.
     
  13. Upsmule

    Upsmule Well-Known Member

    What you've written is exactly true. And will only prove even more so once This train wreck fully kicks in. But the willfully blind agenda driven voters will keep re arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic in spite of what's happening all around them. No change here either.
     
  14. BrownArmy

    BrownArmy Well-Known Member

    I'm pretty sure that if you repeatedly post about it on an internet forum, Hoffa/hall will get right on that.
     
  15. Bagels

    Bagels Family Leave Fridays!!!

    Nothing he's written is true. UPS began charging non-union employees for their health insurance many years ago -- long before Obama or RomneyCare came to fruition, and during a Republican-controlled Administration. Hoffa/hall could've negotiated the status quo benefit package for less than what non-union employees -- including all managerial -- are paying. But Hoffa/hall insisted on similar, no-cost benefits and designed a proposal that they feel will get it done. The Teamsters had little choice -- they had no bargaining chips and they certainly didn't want to strike.

    Honestly, it astounds me how many people live in Fantasy Land in which UPS was willing to pay drivers $75/hour with the same no-cost benefit package. Stop being closed minded, and look at facts.
     
  16. ls6-m22

    ls6-m22 New Member

    I thought the Affordable Care Act was suppose to lower heath care costs?That's what Obama and Pelosi said.They weren't lying were they?
     
  17. Bagels

    Bagels Family Leave Fridays!!!

    It's suppose to slow the increase in rising health costs; lowering would be impossible. It hasn't taken effect yet, but over the past year the rise in health care has been the slowest in years -- nearly half the rate it was going up in the past decade -- and many credit ObamaCare already...
     
  18. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    The healthcare industry, if left unchecked, would have eventually bankrupted this country.
     
  19. moreluck

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  20. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    It is not at all surprising that you are unable to post your own thoughts and must once again rely on the opinions of others to refute my statement. What's that matter, couldn't find an editorial/political cartoon to say it for you?