undies
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Exactly. I'd gladly give up a raise just to keep the benefits I have now.
if no, then what?
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Exactly. I'd gladly give up a raise just to keep the benefits I have now.
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Hell no! 4 billion profit in a quarter. Should be a dollar an hr for the 5 yrs. Now that the union is taking over the health care. Will the CS plan be the same as Upstate Ny? As stated many other times. Blue cross blue shield is very good insurance
East coast navy
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If the TA is voted down.
HIf the TA is voted down. What would the members want. Healthcare ironed out or other issues. I still think we have the company by the balls with them taking us off company plans. Even members that aren't affected by this still can sweeten the deal. What am I talking about is, better pay. Healthcare is going to be a up hill battle. Even if we could win the healthcare battle. It would last five years. Then we would be asking for the same thing. And we probably would lose and struggle to ge great pay raises. We are the last of the working class that doesn't pay for healthcare. How long do you think this will last. If we have to pay then they will have to pay us in better raises. We need 3% percent raises again. So let's be smart here, and lets fight for something better that we all can be proud of. VOTE NO!!
HIf the TA is voted down. What would the members want. Healthcare ironed out or other issues. I still think we have the company by the balls with them taking us off company plans. Even members that aren't affected by this still can sweeten the deal. What am I talking about is, better pay. Healthcare is going to be a up hill battle. Even if we could win the healthcare battle. It would last five years. Then we would be asking for the same thing. And we probably would lose and struggle to ge great pay raises. We are the last of the working class that doesn't pay for healthcare. How long do you think this will last. If we have to pay then they will have to pay us in better raises. We need 3% percent raises again. So let's be smart here, and lets fight for something better that we all can be proud of. VOTE NO!!
anonymous4
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Re: If the TA is voted down.
I'm on the edge of my seat. Tell me more.
I'm on the edge of my seat. Tell me more.
East coast navy
Veteran
Re: If the TA is voted down.
Hey. If they vote no to shut me up then I did my part. When this contract is over then we can talk about witches and bows.
Re: If the TA is voted down.
Come on give East coast a break. Put your seatbelt on so you don't fall off your chair!
East coast navy
Veteran
Re: If the TA is voted down.
I'm voting no because they still haven't explained the insurance to us yet. And the Nov. 1st extension seals my no vote. I'm not voting yes on something without knowing what it's going to do for me. That is the height of stupidity IMHO.
I'm voting no because they still haven't explained the insurance to us yet. And the Nov. 1st extension seals my no vote. I'm not voting yes on something without knowing what it's going to do for me. That is the height of stupidity IMHO.
anonymous4
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Re: If the TA is voted down.
I don't disagree with you. I am a no based on principal. Is this contract sub-par with too many concessions? Absolutely. Too many unknowns and possible bad scenarios. This sets a very poor precedent for the next contract. Profits = overall concession leaning contract, lack of profits = ?
Not that union employees in general are motivated to do more than the already enormous workload in front of them, but seeing this while in the green makes me want to say **** it that much more. Hard work = no reward negotiated by our union, which no matter the UPS business model, can't be a good thing long-term.
I don't disagree with you. I am a no based on principal. Is this contract sub-par with too many concessions? Absolutely. Too many unknowns and possible bad scenarios. This sets a very poor precedent for the next contract. Profits = overall concession leaning contract, lack of profits = ?
Not that union employees in general are motivated to do more than the already enormous workload in front of them, but seeing this while in the green makes me want to say **** it that much more. Hard work = no reward negotiated by our union, which no matter the UPS business model, can't be a good thing long-term.
iowa boy
Well-Known Member
Re: If the TA is voted down.
One of my reasons for voting no.
When I can't look up the provider network to even see if my family doctor is covered by this new insurance or look up my dentist to see if he is covered it makes it real hard for me to accept this and vote for it.
One of my reasons for voting no.
When I can't look up the provider network to even see if my family doctor is covered by this new insurance or look up my dentist to see if he is covered it makes it real hard for me to accept this and vote for it.
I don't know why we're all screaming pay raises and all that jive. I'd gladly keep the contract just like it is now as far as the pay per hour and the benefits. I mean are we supposed to get a 5 dollar raise every contract which is what I'm thinking some of you expect. As long as the company is making money that's great but we have got to acknowledge the competition and realize we have to stay competitive. And our competition is paying in peanuts and undercutting the hell out of us. Woof
Disgruntled employee
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What happens if a supplement passes but the National Master fails?
East coast navy
Veteran
You should have read what I send about GM.
East coast navy
Veteran
The supplements lockes in and the IBT and the company go back to the table. If it doesn't get worked out. Then strike. My opinion if voted down the next Master TA would not get voted down. Neither side wants a strike so to me the TA is the first offer to the members. If you were negotiating for a car would you take the first offer. I didn't think so.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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There is always the possibility of both sides agreeing to continue to work beyond 8/1 under the current contract.
TimeForChange
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That is exactly what will happen if this current TA is voted down, but further negitiations and a second vote count are not completed by August 1.
