If this contract passes, are you willing to vote out your officers as a consequence?

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by The Other Side, Jun 15, 2013.

  1. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    Specifically, in the Southwest, if this contract passes and is ratifified by the membership nationally, are you willing to replace/oust/remove or vote out your current local officers?

    Lets take a look at the last two contracts they "SUPPORTED" and "RECOMMENDED" since 2008.

    1) in 2008, they supported increasing the progression of part timers by 1 year. Costing part timers about 9K a year with that last jump of 12 months.

    2) in 2008, they supported the split wages that cost all employees thousands of dollars each year.

    3) in 2008, they allowed technology language into the national master that resulted in countless terminations for technology related offenses.

    Now, in 2013, they have agreed to the largest CONCESSIONS in Teamster history with UPS.

    1) Extending progression of part timers another YEAR, costing a part timer who goes full time approx. $15,000 in the last year.

    2) Split wages again in year 4 and 5

    3) The loss of our superior health care coverage that cost us next to nothing and replacing it with a plan that will cost us thousands of dollars.

    4) increased language that benefits the company when dealing with technology.

    5) package drivers who go feeder have to wait two years to get bump in pay.

    6) lame 9.5 language that EXTENDS the time period to have a case settled and does not guarantee penalty pay.

    7) retirees get slammed for health care costs then tossed out at 65.


    With these CONCESSIONS in this contract, is it worth it to you to KEEP your local officers in place and give them a chance at a THIRD contract 5 years from now? Why would you trust that they will do any better than they have already demonstrated in these two contracts?

    Are you willing to allow these officers to negotiate even further damage to our contract in the next negotiations?

    The company has shown their cards this time around. In 1997, they raised the bet and Brother Ron Carey "called" their hand and we went on strike. The company folded their hand and we preserved our strong contract. In 2002, the contract came and went without notice. In 2008, the company set the stage for 2013 and these OFFICERS let it happen.

    They have given up without a fight. They tossed the retirees under the bus and put the current employees on the curb waiting for the next bus.

    Are you willing to publicly call out your officers for this "embarrassing" contract?

    Or, are you willing to give them another chance to screw us totally in the coming years?

    YOU HAVE A CHOICE.

    If "WE" have to "PAY" , then "WE", collectively have to make them "PAY". This includes HOFFA if he doesnt come out and apologize for his poor leadership. This should be the next conversation we have on this contract. We didnt start this, "they" did. The local officers may think that "TIME" has cemented them into office, but "WE" ( the members of our locals) are either the cement makers or the JACKHAMMERS.

    What do you say?

    Peace

    TOS
     
  2. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    Re: If this contract passes, are you willing to vote out your officers as a consequen

    ​I assume you will be running to replace the officers ousted!
     
  3. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    Re: If this contract passes, are you willing to vote out your officers as a consequen

    Only if you agree to be my secretary.

    Peace

    TOS
     
  4. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    Re: If this contract passes, are you willing to vote out your officers as a consequen

    Did we ever NOT get tossed out of healthcare at 65?

    If no, please share as I'd like to hear more details on this.
     
  5. browned_out

    browned_out Member

    Re: If this contract passes, are you willing to vote out your officers as a consequen

    I am not retired yet but was told that at 65 you would go to medicare but would retain a supplement policy to cover what medicare doesn't. Under the new CS C6 plan you do not recieve the supplement, so more out of pocket.
     
  6. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    Re: If this contract passes, are you willing to vote out your officers as a consequen

    I assumed everyone knew this. My bad.

    Peace

    TOS
     
  7. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    Re: If this contract passes, are you willing to vote out your officers as a consequen

    If you'll give me personal training ... maybe. I understand you take real good notes of meetings! :wink2:
     
  8. simpletruth

    simpletruth New Member

    Re: If this contract passes, are you willing to vote out your officers as a consequen

    There is misinformation in this thread, retirees under the Central States Plan in the Southwest have post 65 supplemental benefits. The agreement stipulates that post 65 benefits will cost an individual 50 dollars a month and for a family it will cost 100 dollars, under the Company plan these same benefits will cost 150 for an individual and 300 per family, in the third, fourth and fifth year of the agreement. So post 65 benefits will be less under the Central States plan, which, by the way is the R6 plan, not the C6 plan.

    Also, there is not a progression in Feeder, you do not have to wait two years to achieve top pay. When you promote, you make the same wage rate as a all other feeder drivers.

    Brown Café is not the best place to get accurate information on the tentative agreement.
     
  9. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    Re: If this contract passes, are you willing to vote out your officers as a consequen

    And that's the simple truth.

    However, it is the most fun place to get information!
     
  10. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Re: If this contract passes, are you willing to vote out your officers as a consequen

     
  11. olympicking

    olympicking olympic_king

    Re: If this contract passes, are you willing to vote out your officers as a consequen

    Brown Café is not the best place to get accurate information on the tentative agreement.[/QUOTE]

    Be quite simple lie aka Ron. TOS has my vote.
     
  12. Anonymous 10

    Anonymous 10 Guest

    Re: If this contract passes, are you willing to vote out your officers as a consequen

    Nope I fully support my local business agents. They are the best in the biz
     
  13. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    Re: If this contract passes, are you willing to vote out your officers as a consequen

    ​I absolutely don't know what to say!
     
  14. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    Re: If this contract passes, are you willing to vote out your officers as a consequen

    Are you in the southwest? If not, youre in the wrong thread.

    Peace

    TOS
     
  15. Hawfuh Sux

    Hawfuh Sux Old Guard Assassin!

    Re: If this contract passes, are you willing to vote out your officers as a consequen

    Tell me about it, we had Andy "the used car salesman" Marshall try to sell us a Cadillac when its a Pinto!
     
  16. UPS Preloader

    UPS Preloader Active Member

    Re: If this contract passes, are you willing to vote out your officers as a consequen

    Same here, I fully support my local business agents.
     
  17. Re: If this contract passes, are you willing to vote out your officers as a consequen

    Ill support my BA.........but not Hoffa and hall!!!!!!
     
  18. Funfact

    Funfact Well-Known Member

    Re: If this contract passes, are you willing to vote out your officers as a consequen

    If the contract passes it's not because of you BA or union officers fault. It's because the UNION Members voted it in.

    I voted yes....
     
  19. brown_trousers

    brown_trousers Active Member

    Re: If this contract passes, are you willing to vote out your officers as a consequen

    EXACTLY! It doesnt matter how much your union reps support this TA, it is ultimately the decision of each and every teamster (if they vote). The only ones you can hold responsible for this TA are your fellow coworkers who vote it in!
     
  20. The Other Side

    The Other Side Well-Known Troll Troll

    Re: If this contract passes, are you willing to vote out your officers as a consequen

    The "union" reps were the "first" to bring "MISINFORMATION" to the members the day the T.A. was announced. Since then, getting good information has been tough and our LOCAL OFFICERS have avoided answering the tough questions.

    In local 396, our own Principle officer has FAILED to address the membership and recommend the contract for approval. Instead, In his first general membership meeting, he kept telling the membership that "he" didnt have all the information and "he" was waiting for it. He couldnt answer questions, because he made it clear that he didnt know the answers. In the second general membership meeting, once again, he tough questions by telling the membership that "details" were still forthcoming.

    In the "contract" meeting, they gave less than a weeks notice to the membership (less than 5 days) and when the meeting came, our principle officer "passed" on addressing the membership and instead , brought in Andy M to answer questions on health care. It was clear Ron H had NO CLUE what was going to happen to our healthcare, and in an attempt to Dodge responsibility, he brought in Andy M to take the heat for him.

    The members, then have to rely on other sources of information, and for this reason , could vote YES, because they dont fully understand the ramifications of this contract.

    Our business agents came to the yards in the first week of the T.A. announcement and told "US" face to face that our insurance WASNT going to change. When asked ( and I asked TWICE) the business agent said "YES, there will be no changes to your health care"..."you are keeping what you got"...

    NOW, given the facts, would you call that a LIE and/or MISREPRESENTATION?

    He did NOT tell us that we were losing our company health care plan and moving to the C6 plan.

    We did not find out until two weeks later that this was untrue.

    Do we hold the local responsible for these lies and if so, shouldnt we hold the principle officer responsible for allowing it in the first place, since when pressured, our agent said this "LISTEN, I'm ONLY HERE TO TELL YOU WHAT I WAS TOLD TO TELL YOU".

    Think about it.

    Peace

    TOS