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<blockquote data-quote="hoser" data-source="post: 208004" data-attributes="member: 6357"><p>hey, i never said you were anti-immigrant, xenophobic, etc. as the grandson of a Belorussian refugee, you can't find anyone more pro-immigration than I. I just believe the best solution for (legal) immigration is to do nothing. They'll take care of themselves. Saying that they should speak english is absurd; it's in their best interest to speak english. The reason why you have some groups of immigrants having issues integrating is because of the good ol' USA standard of suburbanization. Guaranteed that if LA wasn't as suburbanized, many of the issues would go away (just like how the 911 terrorists hid so well because they lived in private gated suburbs--ironically designed for security).</p><p></p><p>Of course, the whole illegal thing just skews things more. Everyone seems so shocked by the underground economy number (that 40% of people work without paying taxes), and that number is misleading due to the spin "primarily due to illegals". You pay granny cash for her to make a quilt, she's apart of that stat. Just as much as you pay the kid mowing the lawn cash or the 4th generation Californian cash to build your deck on the weekend. Not to mention that tracing the underground economy is friend'n difficult if not impossible.</p><p></p><p>I hate seeing these illegal Mexicans used as a scapegoat for all of these problems. The USA is a strong nation that has done well under any difficulty (yes, including the century-long tradition of illegal Mexican immigration!) Regardless what happens, not much will change, despite what Wolf Blizer or Lou Dobbs may decry.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hoser, post: 208004, member: 6357"] hey, i never said you were anti-immigrant, xenophobic, etc. as the grandson of a Belorussian refugee, you can't find anyone more pro-immigration than I. I just believe the best solution for (legal) immigration is to do nothing. They'll take care of themselves. Saying that they should speak english is absurd; it's in their best interest to speak english. The reason why you have some groups of immigrants having issues integrating is because of the good ol' USA standard of suburbanization. Guaranteed that if LA wasn't as suburbanized, many of the issues would go away (just like how the 911 terrorists hid so well because they lived in private gated suburbs--ironically designed for security). Of course, the whole illegal thing just skews things more. Everyone seems so shocked by the underground economy number (that 40% of people work without paying taxes), and that number is misleading due to the spin "primarily due to illegals". You pay granny cash for her to make a quilt, she's apart of that stat. Just as much as you pay the kid mowing the lawn cash or the 4th generation Californian cash to build your deck on the weekend. Not to mention that tracing the underground economy is friend'n difficult if not impossible. I hate seeing these illegal Mexicans used as a scapegoat for all of these problems. The USA is a strong nation that has done well under any difficulty (yes, including the century-long tradition of illegal Mexican immigration!) Regardless what happens, not much will change, despite what Wolf Blizer or Lou Dobbs may decry. [/QUOTE]
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