Importance of attending your Panel Hearing?

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by eeobrown, Feb 14, 2013.

  1. eeobrown

    eeobrown New Member

    Any stewards or Ba's out there, how much does you showing up to your panel hearing? I ask beacuse mine is extremely far away. I asked one person who's been in front of the panel 3 times and he said the 2 he attended he won and the one he missed he lost. ty
     
  2. QKRSTKR

    QKRSTKR Active Member

    What is extremely far away? If you can go, go.
     
  3. eeobrown

    eeobrown New Member

    far away = more than i can afford
     
  4. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Can you afford to lose your job?
     
  5. QKRSTKR

    QKRSTKR Active Member

    I don't see how you can win if your not there. Is it a state panel or a JAC? I thought they were all regional.
     
  6. PiedmontSteward

    PiedmontSteward RTW-4-Less

    Does your local's bylaws cover travel expenses for fired members attending panel?
     
  7. eeobrown

    eeobrown New Member

    No they dont cover expenses
     
  8. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    I would say if you want to keep your job going would be if the utmost importance.
     
  9. bluehdmc

    bluehdmc Well-Known Member

    If the person you know said they won the 2x they were there and lost the one time they weren't that sorta tells you what the odds are gonna be.
     
  10. eeobrown

    eeobrown New Member

    only reason i ask is because BA kinda gave me the vibe that most people dont
     
  11. brown_trousers

    brown_trousers Active Member

    Kinda sounds like its a worthwhile investment to show up at the hearing, even if it does mean putting the travel expenses on a credit card. Better safe than sorry!
     
  12. barnyard

    barnyard KTM rider Staff Member

    Maybe the BA does not have a good sense that your case will go well and is trying to save you some money.
     
  13. eeobrown

    eeobrown New Member

    ty barn thats what im thinkin 2
     
  14. barnyard

    barnyard KTM rider Staff Member

    You might ask the BA directly if that is the case. Be sincere and ask for a sincere, no bs answer.
     
  15. eeobrown

    eeobrown New Member

    i made the comment "i would hate 2 travel all the way 2 hearing 4 nothin" ba said " yeah i know"
     
  16. tardus

    tardus New Member

    You should always attend your panel hearing. For one thing, you cannot rely on the Business Agent to adequately represent you. It may be a case where you actually have a good case according to the contract, but, for whatever reason, the BA does not feel like pushing your case. I went to a panel hearing once, and my goofy BA (who was immediately hired by UPS as a supervisor when he later lost his BA election) did not adequately represent me and even kept interrupting me when I was given a minute to state my case.

    No one knows the details of your case as well as you do, and you need to be present to give testimony on your behalf, just as you would in a court of law. In my experience, the Union appeared to have an inherent disadvantage at the panel hearings to start with. The company will likely be represented on the panel by executives with masters degrees while the union will likely be represented on the panel by truck drivers who perhaps do not have the advantage of having advanced degrees. (Please be assured that I am not criticizing the Union representation on the panel or truck drivers, only pointing out that there may be an unequal match regarding education and business experience.)

    The panel will probably conclude that you did not consider your case very important if you don't show up. Can you imagine going asking for a variance from your local zoning board and not bothering to show up?
     
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2013
  17. brown_trousers

    brown_trousers Active Member

    Very true! These arbitrators are like judges in the way they collect facts and arguments and try to make the best decisions based on the verbatim of the contract. I have much respect for my BA, but he honestly doesnt strike me as having the attorney like mindset and attitude that would win in arbitration. I would most definately show up for my own hearing if I my job was on the line!
     
  18. barnyard

    barnyard KTM rider Staff Member

    This point cannot be emphasized enough.

    UPS has attorneys on staff, throughout the country that have studied labor law throughout their entire careers. For the most part, if a Teamster gets that far in their education, they go into management.

    Hoffa is a labor lawyer and it is important to remember that we need people that have advanced degrees in our corner.
     
  19. packageguy

    packageguy Well-Known Member

    can I ask what did you do, that your going to panel