tieguy
Banned
you're assuming those folks never worked any type of entry level job at a low starting wage? The other poster above says part timers will be making 17 dollars an hour. Oh wait a minute that is you. Now I'm confused.
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you're assuming those folks never worked any type of entry level job at a low starting wage? The other poster above says part timers will be making 17 dollars an hour. Oh wait a minute that is you. Now I'm confused.
tieguy
Banned
you realize you're about a year late don't you?
Since you have decided to become a contract advocate here how about telling us about your own personal involvement in the contract process last year.
what did you personally do to ensure a good contract last year?
BleedBrown33
Active Member
The wage progression is right for all employees right under 3 yrs. Call your hall they will tell you so.
hondo
promoted to mediocrity
Ha, a "catch-up" raise that's actually catching people up
. If in fact these numbers are for real (and I don't believe the language supports it), this goes a long way to leveling out the two-tier pay scale for PT (pre'82 & post'82 hire dates). After all, all FT, once through progression, are at the same top rate, other than premiums for training, pulling a TP60, or doubles/triples.
. If in fact these numbers are for real (and I don't believe the language supports it), this goes a long way to leveling out the two-tier pay scale for PT (pre'82 & post'82 hire dates). After all, all FT, once through progression, are at the same top rate, other than premiums for training, pulling a TP60, or doubles/triples.
brownmonster
Man of Great Wisdom
A 3 year driver after done with progression makes the exact same wage as a 32 year driver. What makes you think you should always make more than a junior employee. Maybe it's time someone in your household moved on to a full time job.
BleedBrown33
Active Member
To your remark i am a full-time LPN in the ER in my city on top of the 30 hrs a week i put in with UPS. My wife works part-time for something to do and rising gas costs. Also it takes 10-14 yrs at my center for friend/T work. People who assume things make an 
out of thereselves!
out of thereselves!
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JonFrum
Guest
It's not a loophole. It didn't go unnoticed. It's official policy.
For decades Teamster and UPS negotiators have been trying to save the Company money by cutting wages. The concessionary bargaining "trick" they use is to make the cuts effective prospectively, that is, only for New Hires. The theory is the "unborn" aren't here yet, so few existing employees will care much about them. The unborn don't vote on contracts or in union elections. So every time a new contract is negotiated, there are more cuts for future employees; but the contract is sold to existing members as an agreement that not only avoided cuts to them, but even got them raises!
Instead of making the cuts permanent, which would have been too dramatic and not sellable, the cuts are for a limited time through a device called Progression. The progression scale holds out the possibility that a New Hire will climb the scale and be making full rate after three years, if you are a full-timer; or at least a better rate after five years, if you are a part-timer.
The progression raises are not merit raises. They are not intended to be fair. They are intended to catch-up the New Hire full-timer to where he should have been all along. And to partly catch-up the New Hire part-timer to his older co-workers.
New Hires get royally screwed, but the progression system limits the length and degree of the screwing with each passing year.
In the past, the general wage increases were bigger, ($1.00 in 2007.) This time, the 35-cent raise is small and looks even smaller when compared to someone getting those catch-up progression raises.
It was the 1982 contract that put the two-tiered PT salaries in.
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password reset
Guest
What's with all the hate-the-company stuff? This is a good place to be. Seriously, what kind of leader would send us over a cliff?
There are some bitter old batty people just like every large company, you gotta take the bad with the good
trickpony1
Well-Known Member
To your remark i am a full-time LPN in the ER in my city on top of the 30 hrs a week i put in with UPS. My wife works part-time for something to do and rising gas costs. Also it takes 10-14 yrs at my center for friend/T work. People who assume things make an
I'm hoping you are planning to progress to a RN, as I am sure you are aware of the different methods.
At some point, as a RN, you will be making as much if not more than a package driver and you will be using your brain, instead of your body, the work will be more fulfilling and you can actually control your future.
I have a close relative who is a RN and she is making more than this feeder driver and doesn't have to deal with the physical duress and nonsense.
Continue working PT for the benefits and relish the fact that you have other options.
(no sarcasm intended)
I'm on your side.
Good Luck.
shady - your demands would simply wipe this company off the face of the planet - Why kill the goose that lays the golden egg? The teamsters NEED UPS to be a viable, sound and growing entity, ...can you not see this??? They know there is a tipping point for thier demands - think auto and airline industries...Do you think their unions were happy when they HAD to take concessions back to their memebership?
tieguy
Banned
To your remark i am a full-time LPN in the ER in my city on top of the 30 hrs a week i put in with UPS. My wife works part-time for something to do and rising gas costs. Also it takes 10-14 yrs at my center for friend/T work. People who assume things make an
yea thats what we are trying to say. You come in here and try to tell us how to negotiate a contract.
