dannyboy
From the promised LAND
REally? I wonder if you would care to site your source? I know of at least two that have, and several more that did get their jobs back, but with anywhere from 3 days to 4 weeks suspension, and no back pay. All from the "first offense".
What you dont care to realize is that the interpretation of insubordination is a bit broad, and depending on management, they can be very strict about the way they interpret it. And it only takes once. Like stealing from the company or any other dishonest act.
Now, you get fired, they decide to make you the poster child for good reasons not to argue. You end up in front of an arbitrator, and the only thing he will be interested in is "did the sup instruct you to do this job?" "and what was your answer?" That is the essence of insubordination, I uphold the termination. End of story.
And with some sups, once you have an employee show insubordination, then others tend to follow suit, and you lose control of your workforce.
As for part time sups, dont let the fact that they are only part time fool you into thinking they are little midgets without the power or authority to terminate a full time employee. They are what they are, a sup at UPS. The hours they work matters not.
Bottom line is this, with the information posted, the sup was within his rights, did not do so in any abusive manner, told the employee to help across the belt. Your refusal prompted him to get into your face, not appropriate behavior for sure, but it beats "your fired".
Your job at UPS? Work as instructed when instructed, regardless of if it your job, in your classification, whether or not you are done with your work or not etc etc etc. Your reasons for not following instructions really does not matter. They can and will terminate.
And that also follows, just because the guy working next to you has told the sup no several times in the past, does not mean you will get by with it.
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