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<blockquote data-quote="Slothrop" data-source="post: 145681" data-attributes="member: 4707"><p>wkmac,</p><p> </p><p>Three years ago the American public was NOT behind the Iraq invasion. There were many of us that opposed it from the start. The rest believed LIES told to them by their own leaders, and those liars should be removed from office. That is the only way to regain the admiration of the community of nations. It has since been shown that the reasons given were total fabrication, and that there was never a plan beyond 'welcome us with flowers'.</p><p> </p><p>Things aren't different in Iraq, and it is useless to pretend that they could have been. You fancy yourself a student of history, you should know that. Kinda like saying if a toad had wings, it wouldn't have to drag it's... you know the rest.</p><p> </p><p>I don't think it is useful to conjecture 'if we were winning in Iraq & Afghanistan', because no one ever has. </p><p> </p><p>As far as politicians go, once they are in office for a couple of terms, they have a tendancy to get greedy, I think it's human nature. Look at your Teamster contract for a real world example. In a world where corporations have more rights than people, it's to be expected. Your Libertarian utopia is as big a 'pie in the sky' as Bush's vision of the Mideast.</p><p> </p><p>Happy pipe dreams.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Slothrop, post: 145681, member: 4707"] wkmac, Three years ago the American public was NOT behind the Iraq invasion. There were many of us that opposed it from the start. The rest believed LIES told to them by their own leaders, and those liars should be removed from office. That is the only way to regain the admiration of the community of nations. It has since been shown that the reasons given were total fabrication, and that there was never a plan beyond 'welcome us with flowers'. Things aren't different in Iraq, and it is useless to pretend that they could have been. You fancy yourself a student of history, you should know that. Kinda like saying if a toad had wings, it wouldn't have to drag it's... you know the rest. I don't think it is useful to conjecture 'if we were winning in Iraq & Afghanistan', because no one ever has. As far as politicians go, once they are in office for a couple of terms, they have a tendancy to get greedy, I think it's human nature. Look at your Teamster contract for a real world example. In a world where corporations have more rights than people, it's to be expected. Your Libertarian utopia is as big a 'pie in the sky' as Bush's vision of the Mideast. Happy pipe dreams. [/QUOTE]
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