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Is there anybody at the wheel at UPS that can pay attention to the real world?
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<blockquote data-quote="PobreCarlos" data-source="post: 542585" data-attributes="member: 16651"><p>dannyboy;</p><p> </p><p>Re: your "it is in the contract".</p><p> </p><p>Well, my question in response would be "just WHAT is 'in the contract'"? Mentioning a "minimum" in no way specifically allows the employer to unilaterally modify compensation without bargaining...no matter how much you may want to read it that way. </p><p> </p><p>As for your "last you looked" in terms of the contract...well, the last I looked, a contract was supposed to be a TRUE agreement, for considerations, between TWO parties without coercion by an outside third party; a "meeting of the minds". You think that fits with the UPS/Teamsters relationship? What "consideration" does the Teamsters union offer? And if you think they weren't required to by outside forces (primarily Federal law), that UPS would even bargain with the Teamsters today, let alone reach such an "agreement" as they currently have? For use as an example, do you believe you're required to "bargain" and "reach an agreement" with every bum who comes along an offers to "clean" your windshield when you're stopped at a light? And are you much more likely to reach such an "agreement" if he has a companion pointing a Magnum at you through the driver's side window while he's offering to "bargain"? And how often are you going to drive through that neighborhood again unprotected? </p><p> </p><p>In short, don't look a gift horse in the mouth. In terms of the contract, it could - and, truth, probably will - get a lot worse. Either that, or it along with every other remaining basic industry that America has/had is going to be offered-up on the altar of organized "labor"'s short-sightedness, just like the metals and auto industries burned on it already.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PobreCarlos, post: 542585, member: 16651"] dannyboy; Re: your "it is in the contract". Well, my question in response would be "just WHAT is 'in the contract'"? Mentioning a "minimum" in no way specifically allows the employer to unilaterally modify compensation without bargaining...no matter how much you may want to read it that way. As for your "last you looked" in terms of the contract...well, the last I looked, a contract was supposed to be a TRUE agreement, for considerations, between TWO parties without coercion by an outside third party; a "meeting of the minds". You think that fits with the UPS/Teamsters relationship? What "consideration" does the Teamsters union offer? And if you think they weren't required to by outside forces (primarily Federal law), that UPS would even bargain with the Teamsters today, let alone reach such an "agreement" as they currently have? For use as an example, do you believe you're required to "bargain" and "reach an agreement" with every bum who comes along an offers to "clean" your windshield when you're stopped at a light? And are you much more likely to reach such an "agreement" if he has a companion pointing a Magnum at you through the driver's side window while he's offering to "bargain"? And how often are you going to drive through that neighborhood again unprotected? In short, don't look a gift horse in the mouth. In terms of the contract, it could - and, truth, probably will - get a lot worse. Either that, or it along with every other remaining basic industry that America has/had is going to be offered-up on the altar of organized "labor"'s short-sightedness, just like the metals and auto industries burned on it already. [/QUOTE]
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