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<blockquote data-quote="bluehdmc" data-source="post: 542907" data-attributes="member: 18471"><p>As far as I know Buicks are still being manufactured and sold in the US. Although they do seem to like them in China.</p><p>How did US auto manufacturers "allow themselves to be controlled by the unions"?They are called negotiations, usually gone over for months sometimes years. The manufacturers and UAW don't just sit down one time and say well this is it. </p><p>There's give and take on both sides. I'm sure at the start of negotiations the employer wants a 5yr contract with no wage increases and various sorts of givebacks. The union wants a 2 yr contract with outrageous wage increases, less work, more time off, etc. etc. Somewhere along the line a happy (?) medium is struck and then it is sent to the membership for a vote. If it's accepted we all have to live with it, if not sometimes there is a strike and we all have to live with the consequences of that. No one "wins" in a strike though. </p><p> </p><p>Overseas manufacturers that have started facilities in the US pay comparable to the Union wages primarily in an effort to keep the unions out. Also and this has been mentioned time and time again, they do not have the legacy costs the big 3 have. </p><p> </p><p>Many overseas manufacturers that have started plants here are unionized in their home countries. Do you think they started a plant here to give American consumers jobs? Or do you think it may have been to increase profits? Many of them also don't pay the health care costs due to socialized medicine in their home countries. When US manufacturers move to locations out of the US it certainly isn't to give jobs to less developed countries. It's all about the bottom line. </p><p> </p><p>You mention Consolidate Freightways starting up a non-union carrier Con-Way, I believe the Teamsters are involved in a lawsuit against Con-way for diverting business to the non union carrier. Gee was that some sort of accident? </p><p> </p><p>Also the airline co-pilot was a woman, (maybe the statement that she made more money waitressing was a tipoff?)</p><p> </p><p>You say you are on the "side of the american worker". Isn't the american worker entitled to make a decent wage? There seems to be such a disparity in earnings today between management and workers where management seems to keep wanting to put the worker down. Then they bemoan the fact they "cannot get good help today". </p><p> </p><p>I used to be an auto mechanic. When I first got into the business, mechanics at dealerships were paid on an incentive basis, usually 50% of the hourly, (flat rate) labor charge. You could make a decent living, usually by learning some "shortcuts" to speed up the job. (not the quality because if it came back you ate the labor). Today you would be hard pressed to find a mechanic that is paid 1/3 of what the dealer labor rate is. So where did that other 1/6 of an hourly charge go? (as I said you can't really find one making 1/3, I'm being generous). I'll give you a hint, in the dealer's pocket, let's support the working man, huh?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bluehdmc, post: 542907, member: 18471"] As far as I know Buicks are still being manufactured and sold in the US. Although they do seem to like them in China. How did US auto manufacturers "allow themselves to be controlled by the unions"?They are called negotiations, usually gone over for months sometimes years. The manufacturers and UAW don't just sit down one time and say well this is it. There's give and take on both sides. I'm sure at the start of negotiations the employer wants a 5yr contract with no wage increases and various sorts of givebacks. The union wants a 2 yr contract with outrageous wage increases, less work, more time off, etc. etc. Somewhere along the line a happy (?) medium is struck and then it is sent to the membership for a vote. If it's accepted we all have to live with it, if not sometimes there is a strike and we all have to live with the consequences of that. No one "wins" in a strike though. Overseas manufacturers that have started facilities in the US pay comparable to the Union wages primarily in an effort to keep the unions out. Also and this has been mentioned time and time again, they do not have the legacy costs the big 3 have. Many overseas manufacturers that have started plants here are unionized in their home countries. Do you think they started a plant here to give American consumers jobs? Or do you think it may have been to increase profits? Many of them also don't pay the health care costs due to socialized medicine in their home countries. When US manufacturers move to locations out of the US it certainly isn't to give jobs to less developed countries. It's all about the bottom line. You mention Consolidate Freightways starting up a non-union carrier Con-Way, I believe the Teamsters are involved in a lawsuit against Con-way for diverting business to the non union carrier. Gee was that some sort of accident? Also the airline co-pilot was a woman, (maybe the statement that she made more money waitressing was a tipoff?) You say you are on the "side of the american worker". Isn't the american worker entitled to make a decent wage? There seems to be such a disparity in earnings today between management and workers where management seems to keep wanting to put the worker down. Then they bemoan the fact they "cannot get good help today". I used to be an auto mechanic. When I first got into the business, mechanics at dealerships were paid on an incentive basis, usually 50% of the hourly, (flat rate) labor charge. You could make a decent living, usually by learning some "shortcuts" to speed up the job. (not the quality because if it came back you ate the labor). Today you would be hard pressed to find a mechanic that is paid 1/3 of what the dealer labor rate is. So where did that other 1/6 of an hourly charge go? (as I said you can't really find one making 1/3, I'm being generous). I'll give you a hint, in the dealer's pocket, let's support the working man, huh? [/QUOTE]
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