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<blockquote data-quote="PobreCarlos" data-source="post: 543374" data-attributes="member: 16651"><p>Jimmy;</p><p> </p><p>Maybe I haven't been paying enough attention but, with what little attention I have been paying, I've noticed that there are one Hell of a lot of commentators who are saying that it *IS* organized labor that is "pulling the strings" today. And, BTW, those commentators include even Teamsters officials (all the way to the top) who are claiming that the current administration owes them for getting elected. Beyond that, how else does one explain an administration going against 200 years of legal precedence, and all known financial wisdom by giving the subsidiary UNION priority over secured lenders in the auto bankruptcies? And do you realize what impact that decision is going to have on FUTURE economic development? Think lenders are going to make funds available to organized firms under even the most "secure" terms when they realize that a socialist movement is likely to cut the ground right from under them?</p><p> </p><p>I agree that the days when unions had the ability to influence our economy in any meaningful POSITIVE manner are probably over. But they still retain one HELL of a lot influence in their ability to destroy. </p><p> </p><p>Example? Everybody talks about what brought GM down...but has everybody forgotten the American Axle strike a while back that closed down GM assembly at a critical financial time? Or the subsequent (immediately after) strike at the Malibu assembly plant which really put the company on the ropes? And are you forgetting that, at the time, numerous commentators were specifically stating that such actions were bringing about the downfall of GM? </p><p> </p><p>I understand your sympathies...but the facts are that the "organized" industries in this country have been brought to their knees, while the "unorganized" ones have prospered. Why is that? Simply coincidence that just the "organized" industries have had bad management (although many, I'll grant, would agree that's the case, in that they let the unions gain control). What?</p><p> </p><p>I'm open to reasonable suggestions...but those suggestions need to take into account the actual evidence. And I'll tell you right now that there's one heck of a lot of evidence that unions have worked to destroy this country's economy.</p><p> </p><p>Would it have to have been that way? Nope. They didn't have to kill the hen with the golden eggs. In other countries (and I've worked in one of them), unions function more responsibly. But here [predominately] they don't.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PobreCarlos, post: 543374, member: 16651"] Jimmy; Maybe I haven't been paying enough attention but, with what little attention I have been paying, I've noticed that there are one Hell of a lot of commentators who are saying that it *IS* organized labor that is "pulling the strings" today. And, BTW, those commentators include even Teamsters officials (all the way to the top) who are claiming that the current administration owes them for getting elected. Beyond that, how else does one explain an administration going against 200 years of legal precedence, and all known financial wisdom by giving the subsidiary UNION priority over secured lenders in the auto bankruptcies? And do you realize what impact that decision is going to have on FUTURE economic development? Think lenders are going to make funds available to organized firms under even the most "secure" terms when they realize that a socialist movement is likely to cut the ground right from under them? I agree that the days when unions had the ability to influence our economy in any meaningful POSITIVE manner are probably over. But they still retain one HELL of a lot influence in their ability to destroy. Example? Everybody talks about what brought GM down...but has everybody forgotten the American Axle strike a while back that closed down GM assembly at a critical financial time? Or the subsequent (immediately after) strike at the Malibu assembly plant which really put the company on the ropes? And are you forgetting that, at the time, numerous commentators were specifically stating that such actions were bringing about the downfall of GM? I understand your sympathies...but the facts are that the "organized" industries in this country have been brought to their knees, while the "unorganized" ones have prospered. Why is that? Simply coincidence that just the "organized" industries have had bad management (although many, I'll grant, would agree that's the case, in that they let the unions gain control). What? I'm open to reasonable suggestions...but those suggestions need to take into account the actual evidence. And I'll tell you right now that there's one heck of a lot of evidence that unions have worked to destroy this country's economy. Would it have to have been that way? Nope. They didn't have to kill the hen with the golden eggs. In other countries (and I've worked in one of them), unions function more responsibly. But here [predominately] they don't. [/QUOTE]
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