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<blockquote data-quote="canon" data-source="post: 160778" data-attributes="member: 8423"><p>You dismiss everything I say as lies and an attack against management, yet you fail to assign an alternative route. When I talk about management it's not because of an infatuatoin... here's a news flash for you: <em>I work for management, and this thread is about what that life is like.</em> You claim you haven't defended the pas system, yet because it's management that wont fix it, you see it as an attack and come to their aide. All of a sudden you call me liar, and stupid for what amounts to nothing more than my frustration that they refuse to fix anything yet still hold me accountable for the deficiencies. This is echoed in other drivers on the board, so you accuse them of simply coming to my rescue. You say I lack integrity because I highlighted your animosity towards the drivers, but others see the same thing.</p><p></p><p>Not just in this thread, but elsewhere. I was going thru a thread called Great Spouses... without reason and unprovoked, your first post to an otherwise decent discussion was</p><p></p><p>I know you tried to dismiss it as humor. But your arrogance in dealing with people, your insults instead of discussion, your childishness instead of professionalism... I don't think people see you in the same light as you see yourself. In every sense of the word, and without any intention to insult, you've been a complete jerk whenever management is even brought up in a negative light. People are quick to say "he really does have some good things to say now and then". And I would agree... but to a point. As soon as something doesn't go your way, you resort to being condescending and arrogant. </p><p></p><p>I have yet to try to belittle you. I've tried to explain my positions in a mature way. I've refrained from stooping to your level of namecalling. I've held my tongue rather than return insults as you have engaged in. Yet, you still can't muster the intestinal fortitude it would take to meet me on a mature level of discussion.</p><p></p><p>Want to see me when I'm not being so nice? Here we go.</p><p></p><p> If there's any doubt of the employee experience at UPS, people seeing how you behave in these forums removes any remaining questions of what it's like when you're stuck with some craphole supervisor who is pissed off at the union.</p><p></p><p>I have a theory of why too. If my theory is right, you've been at UPS for a very long time and are nowhere near the altitude you think you should be on the corporate ladder. Rather than accept responsibility for your own failures tho, it's much easier to blame it on "all the whining, crying and crap from the hourlies" as you said above.</p><p></p><p> The problem with that is it doens't fit the corporate model of how higher management sees employees. To them, we're instruments used to gain profit. The "company" doesn't see things as union or non-union, only as profitable or not. Just like with the vehicles, buildings, or computers, the employees require maintenence. Happy trucks stay on the road, happy buildings keep the weather out, happy computers keep processing, and happy drivers deliver more. So rather than bring you up to the level you think you should be, they leave you down there where you're relatively harmless. Maybe it's because they think you'd jump at the chance to screw the drivers instead of what's best for the company. Either way, my experience with upper management on my routes is that the higher up they've climbed, the more appreciative they are of the drivers efforts. </p><p></p><p>But your nasty attitude conveys a bias, even if you think its coming across as humor. I kept telling you to look up the word "transparent" because people can see right thru you. You come across as one of those management people who blame the union for your numbers not being high enough therefore you haven't been promoted. I think the reason you took such a disproportionately aggressive response to the list of mgmt who got fired for falsifying documents is because the only thing separating you from them is being caught. If what i've said is true, you're probably in the position now that you'll be in when you retire... and you're bitter about it.</p><p></p><p>That's my theory based on how you present yourself in here. I highly recommend you stop insulting people, stop the name calling, and take a look at how you interact with the people that look to you as a "leader". Start acting like one or stop telling people you are one. Why does an hourly person need to tell you how to behave in public when you're trying to be "<em>the one outspoken managment poster on this board</em>" as you put it?</p><p></p><p>Answer that one and you might find out why you're not higher in the company.</p><p></p><p>Call me stupid again, call me anything you like. I really don't care. I plan to continue to address issues that interest me. If you want to participate on a more mature level, you're more than welcome in any conversation I'm in. If not, it's no surprise to me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="canon, post: 160778, member: 8423"] You dismiss everything I say as lies and an attack against management, yet you fail to assign an alternative route. When I talk about management it's not because of an infatuatoin... here's a news flash for you: [I]I work for management, and this thread is about what that life is like.[/I] You claim you haven't defended the pas system, yet because it's management that wont fix it, you see it as an attack and come to their aide. All of a sudden you call me liar, and stupid for what amounts to nothing more than my frustration that they refuse to fix anything yet still hold me accountable for the deficiencies. This is echoed in other drivers on the board, so you accuse them of simply coming to my rescue. You say I lack integrity because I highlighted your animosity towards the drivers, but others see the same thing. Not just in this thread, but elsewhere. I was going thru a thread called Great Spouses... without reason and unprovoked, your first post to an otherwise decent discussion was I know you tried to dismiss it as humor. But your arrogance in dealing with people, your insults instead of discussion, your childishness instead of professionalism... I don't think people see you in the same light as you see yourself. In every sense of the word, and without any intention to insult, you've been a complete jerk whenever management is even brought up in a negative light. People are quick to say "he really does have some good things to say now and then". And I would agree... but to a point. As soon as something doesn't go your way, you resort to being condescending and arrogant. I have yet to try to belittle you. I've tried to explain my positions in a mature way. I've refrained from stooping to your level of namecalling. I've held my tongue rather than return insults as you have engaged in. Yet, you still can't muster the intestinal fortitude it would take to meet me on a mature level of discussion. Want to see me when I'm not being so nice? Here we go. If there's any doubt of the employee experience at UPS, people seeing how you behave in these forums removes any remaining questions of what it's like when you're stuck with some craphole supervisor who is pissed off at the union. I have a theory of why too. If my theory is right, you've been at UPS for a very long time and are nowhere near the altitude you think you should be on the corporate ladder. Rather than accept responsibility for your own failures tho, it's much easier to blame it on "all the whining, crying and crap from the hourlies" as you said above. The problem with that is it doens't fit the corporate model of how higher management sees employees. To them, we're instruments used to gain profit. The "company" doesn't see things as union or non-union, only as profitable or not. Just like with the vehicles, buildings, or computers, the employees require maintenence. Happy trucks stay on the road, happy buildings keep the weather out, happy computers keep processing, and happy drivers deliver more. So rather than bring you up to the level you think you should be, they leave you down there where you're relatively harmless. Maybe it's because they think you'd jump at the chance to screw the drivers instead of what's best for the company. Either way, my experience with upper management on my routes is that the higher up they've climbed, the more appreciative they are of the drivers efforts. But your nasty attitude conveys a bias, even if you think its coming across as humor. I kept telling you to look up the word "transparent" because people can see right thru you. You come across as one of those management people who blame the union for your numbers not being high enough therefore you haven't been promoted. I think the reason you took such a disproportionately aggressive response to the list of mgmt who got fired for falsifying documents is because the only thing separating you from them is being caught. If what i've said is true, you're probably in the position now that you'll be in when you retire... and you're bitter about it. That's my theory based on how you present yourself in here. I highly recommend you stop insulting people, stop the name calling, and take a look at how you interact with the people that look to you as a "leader". Start acting like one or stop telling people you are one. Why does an hourly person need to tell you how to behave in public when you're trying to be "[I]the one outspoken managment poster on this board[/I]" as you put it? Answer that one and you might find out why you're not higher in the company. Call me stupid again, call me anything you like. I really don't care. I plan to continue to address issues that interest me. If you want to participate on a more mature level, you're more than welcome in any conversation I'm in. If not, it's no surprise to me. [/QUOTE]
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