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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 457821" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>I find polls a complete waste of time but on the subject matter itself, here's another POV. </p><p> </p><p><a href="http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=14001" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><strong>http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=14001</strong></span></a></p><p> </p><p>I do agree with Red that to even have a chance to understand this entire issue, one has to understand the history of it from the promise given to Abraham in Genesis through the Balfour Declaration and the post WW1 British Palestane mandate to the present era. Even understanding the apocalyptic end times thinking of Jesus' day (we got nothing on those folks) plays into marking and making the history that shapes thinking in centuries to come even into our own day. </p><p> </p><p>History shows the means to maintain an empire stands on the empires means to pay for it all. Empires of old made conquests to capture gold and to enslave and transport populations back to the home state for re-education if you will. We no longer do neither in modern empires and warfare and thus the aquilles heel to our efforts as some might suggest. </p><p> </p><p>We neither obtain gold from our conquests (at least in the overt manner of old) nor do we transport national populations to foreign lands to pacify the population base and assimulate them into our cultures. Example 600 BC jewish dispora into Babylon which completely changed the face of Israelite culture and religous ideals. Now that we ourselves lack the monies to continue the empirical efforts, our leaders will falsify the efforts of economy with the mask of hyper-inflation. This too, IMO will in the long run end in failure and leave our nation in a crumpled heap that no one trusts and rightly so!</p><p> </p><p>JMO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 457821, member: 2189"] I find polls a complete waste of time but on the subject matter itself, here's another POV. [URL="http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=14001"][COLOR=red][B]http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=14001[/B][/COLOR][/URL] I do agree with Red that to even have a chance to understand this entire issue, one has to understand the history of it from the promise given to Abraham in Genesis through the Balfour Declaration and the post WW1 British Palestane mandate to the present era. Even understanding the apocalyptic end times thinking of Jesus' day (we got nothing on those folks) plays into marking and making the history that shapes thinking in centuries to come even into our own day. History shows the means to maintain an empire stands on the empires means to pay for it all. Empires of old made conquests to capture gold and to enslave and transport populations back to the home state for re-education if you will. We no longer do neither in modern empires and warfare and thus the aquilles heel to our efforts as some might suggest. We neither obtain gold from our conquests (at least in the overt manner of old) nor do we transport national populations to foreign lands to pacify the population base and assimulate them into our cultures. Example 600 BC jewish dispora into Babylon which completely changed the face of Israelite culture and religous ideals. Now that we ourselves lack the monies to continue the empirical efforts, our leaders will falsify the efforts of economy with the mask of hyper-inflation. This too, IMO will in the long run end in failure and leave our nation in a crumpled heap that no one trusts and rightly so! JMO. [/QUOTE]
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