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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 466059" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>The time table excuse still doesnt fly. The point he was making is simple.</p><p> </p><p>The point of the iraq war and the afghanistan war had objectives that HAVE STILL NOT BEEN MET.</p><p> </p><p>In afghanistan, removing and eliminating the taliban was the objective...today, they are stronger than ever, now called the narco-taliban with the increase in poppy production.</p><p> </p><p>Mission FAILED.</p><p> </p><p>In Iraq, the objective was WMD and eliminating al-qaeda. As to WMD's, they never existed so it was easy to claim victory for this, as to al-qaeda, the 911 committee and the senate commitees proved they never existed in the first place in Iraq and as a bonus, had no ties to saddam hussien.</p><p> </p><p>Mission FAILED.</p><p> </p><p>In Iraq, we created a mess with bad planning and no leadership from the white house. Then, when it became a disaster, a new plan (the surge) had to be implemented to fix what we broke.</p><p> </p><p>These are not successful wars. They are disasters that have cost the US taxpayers more in dollars than 911 caused in total.</p><p> </p><p>Over 1 trillion spent in Iraq alone, more than was spent on another lost conflict (vietnam).</p><p> </p><p>Anyone who calls these wars victories need to examine what victory is.</p><p> </p><p>And if anyone wants to try and connect Iraq to 911 and say that by attacking them, our country has been safe is out of touch with reality.</p><p> </p><p>Bush himself shows the failure of his wars in his goodbye speech the other night. Before the wars began, he used the name Osama Bin Laden in every other sentence, so did his administration.</p><p> </p><p>They sold the war to america by saying that they were going to get OSAMA for 911. Everyone bought it. It was an easy sell. For months, they used his name over and over....</p><p> </p><p>Yet, in his goodbye speech, he never made mention of OSAMA BIN LADEN 1 TIME!!</p><p> </p><p>What happened? Funny how 6 years later, the name OSAMA BIN LADEN just disappeared from the war rhetoric.</p><p> </p><p>I guess the world is safe from the #1 terrorist now that bush took on two countries with no ties to 911.</p><p> </p><p>Get a clue people.</p><p> </p><p>Not once did bush mention OSAMA BIN LADEN as a reason for either wars in his final speech. </p><p> </p><p>This president was, is and will always be remembered as an idiot.<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/dead.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":dead:" title="Dead :dead:" data-shortname=":dead:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 466059, member: 17969"] The time table excuse still doesnt fly. The point he was making is simple. The point of the iraq war and the afghanistan war had objectives that HAVE STILL NOT BEEN MET. In afghanistan, removing and eliminating the taliban was the objective...today, they are stronger than ever, now called the narco-taliban with the increase in poppy production. Mission FAILED. In Iraq, the objective was WMD and eliminating al-qaeda. As to WMD's, they never existed so it was easy to claim victory for this, as to al-qaeda, the 911 committee and the senate commitees proved they never existed in the first place in Iraq and as a bonus, had no ties to saddam hussien. Mission FAILED. In Iraq, we created a mess with bad planning and no leadership from the white house. Then, when it became a disaster, a new plan (the surge) had to be implemented to fix what we broke. These are not successful wars. They are disasters that have cost the US taxpayers more in dollars than 911 caused in total. Over 1 trillion spent in Iraq alone, more than was spent on another lost conflict (vietnam). Anyone who calls these wars victories need to examine what victory is. And if anyone wants to try and connect Iraq to 911 and say that by attacking them, our country has been safe is out of touch with reality. Bush himself shows the failure of his wars in his goodbye speech the other night. Before the wars began, he used the name Osama Bin Laden in every other sentence, so did his administration. They sold the war to america by saying that they were going to get OSAMA for 911. Everyone bought it. It was an easy sell. For months, they used his name over and over.... Yet, in his goodbye speech, he never made mention of OSAMA BIN LADEN 1 TIME!! What happened? Funny how 6 years later, the name OSAMA BIN LADEN just disappeared from the war rhetoric. I guess the world is safe from the #1 terrorist now that bush took on two countries with no ties to 911. Get a clue people. Not once did bush mention OSAMA BIN LADEN as a reason for either wars in his final speech. This president was, is and will always be remembered as an idiot.:dead: [/QUOTE]
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