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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 470693" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Tie,</p><p> </p><p>I understand how easy it is to just lump all things to the PLO but in this current situation in Gaza, this is not the case at all. The PLO and Hamas who control Gaza are very much at odds with one another. Mahmoud Abbas is a member of the Fatah party which is a left/nationalist political party and has headed the PLO since Nov. 2004'. Hamas, a rival political faction to Fatah refuses to recognize Fatah or the Abbas leadership of the PLO and therefore they choose to in effect, do their own thing in Gaza. And paying a price for it too. </p><p> </p><p>Not suggesting PLO as some innocent party in all this but the muslim world is very much a very fractured society. Both in politics and religion. The situation between Hamas and the Fatah might be best or loosely understood in a way we think of democrats and republicans oppsing one another but in this case the difference has gone to obvious extremes. </p><p> </p><p>As I said, it's easy to lump all things as PLO and I've done the same but reading has forced me to realize this situation is far more complex than I realized earlier. In fact, I'm convinced that if you removed the Israelis and the west entirely from this region, the whole arab whole would fall out into multi-faction civil wars and Arabs would degenerate into just killing themselves off. Even the Ottoman's understood this and used a heavy hand to rule them in their era. Western policy makers also very much fear this and use this as justification to intervene in various ways in this region. Their current mpdel of public policy with economics and society structure depend in some measure on stablity in this region but I say let them just have it since this is really what they want. At some point if we choose, if we want wants there, scrap away the remains of the dead bodies and it's all ours so to speak!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p> </p><p>This is also why I do not fear some super fundamentalist caliph bent on world domination because Sunni Islam dictates a Caliph be chosen by Shure (a consultation) from elected leaders among the muslims themselves. Shia Islam however declares a Caliph to come from a imam descended in a line from Ahl al-Bayt so they already hold a huge disagreement on how a Caliph would be chosen in the first place. </p><p> </p><p>I just consider it a pure red herring to even suggest the possibility that from amongst all this turmoil and difference that these guys really pose anything near a threat on global scale toward global conquest and domination especially in the houses of the west.</p><p> </p><p>jmo</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 470693, member: 2189"] Tie, I understand how easy it is to just lump all things to the PLO but in this current situation in Gaza, this is not the case at all. The PLO and Hamas who control Gaza are very much at odds with one another. Mahmoud Abbas is a member of the Fatah party which is a left/nationalist political party and has headed the PLO since Nov. 2004'. Hamas, a rival political faction to Fatah refuses to recognize Fatah or the Abbas leadership of the PLO and therefore they choose to in effect, do their own thing in Gaza. And paying a price for it too. Not suggesting PLO as some innocent party in all this but the muslim world is very much a very fractured society. Both in politics and religion. The situation between Hamas and the Fatah might be best or loosely understood in a way we think of democrats and republicans oppsing one another but in this case the difference has gone to obvious extremes. As I said, it's easy to lump all things as PLO and I've done the same but reading has forced me to realize this situation is far more complex than I realized earlier. In fact, I'm convinced that if you removed the Israelis and the west entirely from this region, the whole arab whole would fall out into multi-faction civil wars and Arabs would degenerate into just killing themselves off. Even the Ottoman's understood this and used a heavy hand to rule them in their era. Western policy makers also very much fear this and use this as justification to intervene in various ways in this region. Their current mpdel of public policy with economics and society structure depend in some measure on stablity in this region but I say let them just have it since this is really what they want. At some point if we choose, if we want wants there, scrap away the remains of the dead bodies and it's all ours so to speak! :happy-very: This is also why I do not fear some super fundamentalist caliph bent on world domination because Sunni Islam dictates a Caliph be chosen by Shure (a consultation) from elected leaders among the muslims themselves. Shia Islam however declares a Caliph to come from a imam descended in a line from Ahl al-Bayt so they already hold a huge disagreement on how a Caliph would be chosen in the first place. I just consider it a pure red herring to even suggest the possibility that from amongst all this turmoil and difference that these guys really pose anything near a threat on global scale toward global conquest and domination especially in the houses of the west. jmo [/QUOTE]
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