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Just curious... how irreplaceable do you think we are here, in case of a strike??
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<blockquote data-quote="PobreCarlos" data-source="post: 1019927" data-attributes="member: 16651"><p>104Feeder;</p><p></p><p>Here's a news flash for you in return; the '97 dispute wasn't about Western States. Rather, it revolved around UPS's desire to withdraw from Central States. For a frame of reference, I suggest you take a look at "Sprague v. CSPF", and see what carrot the union dangled in front of the company in order to terminate the job action. And, whether you want to admit or not, that controversy ultimately affected YOUR pension as well. Money - billions of dollars of it - was squandered away on a forlorn hope, when it COULD have been efficiently applied to the benefits of ALL UPS pension participants. You just can't "rob Peter to pay Paul" (as the union apparently has done) for long and expect to get away with it.</p><p></p><p>Beyond that, I'll readily grant that Western States has been much better (and tightly) managed than most of the other Teamster trusts that UPS participates in. Of course, a big part of that is because Western States is taking contributions on behalf of p/t'ers which, for the most part, it's never required to pay out as benefits; i.e. - the friend/t participants are riding on the backs of the p/t'ers. But that wasn't particularly an issue in '97, either. The projected Central States insolvency was. And, from my perspective (and I think most responsible observers), all other issues (including incrementing friend/t jobs and all that rigamarole) were relatively minor in comparison with the Central States problem. And from the perspective of ALL those involved, I can't help but think that it would have been a lot better for everyone concerned if the problem had been resolved in '97 instead of being kicked like a can down the road for a few years.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PobreCarlos, post: 1019927, member: 16651"] 104Feeder; Here's a news flash for you in return; the '97 dispute wasn't about Western States. Rather, it revolved around UPS's desire to withdraw from Central States. For a frame of reference, I suggest you take a look at "Sprague v. CSPF", and see what carrot the union dangled in front of the company in order to terminate the job action. And, whether you want to admit or not, that controversy ultimately affected YOUR pension as well. Money - billions of dollars of it - was squandered away on a forlorn hope, when it COULD have been efficiently applied to the benefits of ALL UPS pension participants. You just can't "rob Peter to pay Paul" (as the union apparently has done) for long and expect to get away with it. Beyond that, I'll readily grant that Western States has been much better (and tightly) managed than most of the other Teamster trusts that UPS participates in. Of course, a big part of that is because Western States is taking contributions on behalf of p/t'ers which, for the most part, it's never required to pay out as benefits; i.e. - the friend/t participants are riding on the backs of the p/t'ers. But that wasn't particularly an issue in '97, either. The projected Central States insolvency was. And, from my perspective (and I think most responsible observers), all other issues (including incrementing friend/t jobs and all that rigamarole) were relatively minor in comparison with the Central States problem. And from the perspective of ALL those involved, I can't help but think that it would have been a lot better for everyone concerned if the problem had been resolved in '97 instead of being kicked like a can down the road for a few years. [/QUOTE]
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