Ken H to debate Fred Z

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by UniteandWin, Aug 15, 2016.

  1. UniteandWin

    UniteandWin Active Member

    A very smart move to send Ken H to debate Fred. I see a push in that debate. Both leaders fighting RTW in thier states, both have actually worked as Teamsters, both were against Jim H and then for, and then against, depending on who they are speaking to. Both are in joint council 94. It's a damn shame these two good leaders are pitted against each other for political reasons. They are a lot a like

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  2. UniteandWin

    UniteandWin Active Member

    The single biggest obstacle our great is infighting, has been for years, since disgraceful Jackie Pressor. If the energy was spent on uniting this great union, we would be unstoppable

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  3. Lead Belly

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    image.png Fat Timmy in on his way!!!
     
  4. UniteandWin

    UniteandWin Active Member

    ???

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  5. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    H.... doesn't debate, TDU losers.



    They are nothing "alike".

    One, is the General Secretary-Treasurer of the IBT.

    The other.... is a "wanna be" turncoat.


    Know where your allegiances lie.


    Are you a real Teamster ??

    Or, jumping on a bandwagon ??



    -Bug-
     
  6. Bubblehead

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    ...I doubt he ties his own shoes???
     
  7. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    They are very much "alike".

    One was actually a card carrying member of TDU (the General Secretary-Treasurer and Ron Carey's "right hand man")

    The other...is the Principle Officer of one of the biggest locals in the country, with mass credentials and the courage to go against the status quo for a second straight General Election.
    He's way more qualified than the man who's presently asleep at the wheel, riding his Daddy's name into senility.
     
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  8. wide load

    wide load Well-Known Member

    You forgot that one did so poorly on carhaul that he was cut from the team. Those credentials?
     
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  9. UniteandWin

    UniteandWin Active Member

    In the last debate JH sent hall because he said he had a RTW fight going on, which is fine. hall is in a major fight in West Virginia to overturn RTW, which is a worthy cause. I don't understand, why a major figure like JH doesn't go get his accomplishments on record. If he can't debate Fred, how can he debate Ups

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  10. realbrown1

    realbrown1 Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.

    It would be more accurate to say H doesn't debate, period.

    He always sends someone else, because he is too chicken to do it.
     
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  11. Lead Belly

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    Ken will make Fred look like the :censored2: he is. Fred looked like he was going to cry at the convention and I predict the same in the debate.
     
  12. burrheadd

    burrheadd Superstar

    Jimmy Jr is running for prez why doesn't he debate?
    Does he have a lisp ? Does he studder?
     
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  13. Lead Belly

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    Maybe some day when you rise to the top of the IBT you can do what you want to do. I like hall all day in this arena because I think he's gonna chew Fred's face off and possibly make him cry.
     
  14. burrheadd

    burrheadd Superstar

    Just seems to me if your running for prez people might be more apt to vote for you if they could hear from your own mouth what you have to say.
    Unless your a babbling idiot that can't string 2 sentences toghether
    But that's just me
     
  15. ezmoney5150

    ezmoney5150 Active Member

    One was on the dark side and realized the error of his ways. What's Z's excuse? He had a license plate that said TDU SUX.
     
  16. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    He checked out a long time ago, and is nothing more than a talking head, who apparently can't even fill that role anymore.

    What's going on now, is one of many age old traditions in the Teamsters union that need to go.
    This particular tradition is to run the long time incumbent one last time, with no intention of ever fulfilling the term, so they can hand the title off to their chosen air apparent.

    Appointments to union positions are sometimes necessary or provided for internally.
    But when it's premeditated, and circumvents the intended democratic process, it is a slap in the face to the Constitution and Bylaws, as well as insulting to the membership.

    Wake up my Brothers and Sisters!!!
    Don't fall for this "banana in the tailpipe" maneuver.
     
  17. Bubblehead

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    Z doesn't need an excuse, and I never referred to TDU as the "dark side", rather a common thread.
    Can't say either whether KH our General ST indeed "saw the error of his ways", or simply seized an opportunity to be "reigned in" after his original TDU mentor was ousted?

    Through the years, the Teamsters have demonstrated a need for oversight, and a significant number of Teamsters have seen fit to fund this organization that does just that.
    I personally don't subscribe, but hold no angst for those that do.

    One day, if our Union ever gets itself straightened out, TDU will dry up and be gone.
    Until then....
     
  18. ezmoney5150

    ezmoney5150 Active Member

    Oversight that TDU people can't provide. Little did we forget that Ron Carey's guy Mario P. got ousted for taking a boat from UPS.
     
  19. Lead Belly

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  20. Lead Belly

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    Kenny debating Fred's fine with me.