layoffs

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by gypsy mcgee, Jan 3, 2009.

  1. gypsy mcgee

    gypsy mcgee New Member

    i watched a low seniority employee being told as he was leaving friday nite, "don't show up on monday". he had no idea this was coming. why didn't anyone(the local) notify these guys this was coming ahead of time?
     
  2. Sleeve_meet_Heart

    Sleeve_meet_Heart making the unreadable unreadabler

    They can't do that up here to my knowledge. If you worked Friday, and you worked 30 working days as a seasonal, technically you are now hired on permanent becuase you worked one day in the new year.

    In our hub, the big thing was laying off the seasonals for Friday, Jan 2nd, and the ones they were keeping permanent they asked to come in Monday. Therefore their seasonal working days are void and null and they were rehired fresh and new.


    I'm sure 705Red or someone will jump in and correct me :p
     
  3. 705red

    705red Browncafe Steward

    Sleeve no were in the original post did he say that the "lower seniority employee" was a seasonal. From his post i gather that a low seniority employee was laid off, not sure what his/her job was so its hard to answer the original question.

    Cory can you explain in further detail?

    Sleeve, do you think that i just troll around looking for your posts? I have tried explaining to you in another thread the correct language definition in the contract. If you would rather just mis-interpret things your way that's fine, just do not give out bad/misinformation please. Or take the time to understand and let us teach you the right way, like others have helped us to get to be as knowledgeable as we are. its free and doesnt cost you a thing but the rewards of knowing your contract are priceless!
     
  4. Sleeve_meet_Heart

    Sleeve_meet_Heart making the unreadable unreadabler

    And once again, your response is priceless. No where did I mention, nor did the thread author mention if this employee was seasonal or not. Obviously we don't know. I was more or less digging for more detail as well.

    It is plausible that this person was hired during the seasonal months per their local supplement if they are "low seniority" and cooincidently laid off on Friday and not making the 1st of the year. I am not assuming that, but that's the way it sounds.

    P.S. this is my 8th year, I'm a full-time employee and have been posting on this board since 2003.
     
  5. 705red

    705red Browncafe Steward

    Why did you re-register under a different user? I have been here for several years all under my original user profile user name, with nothing to hide! Wow a whole 8 years with the company, can you ever forgive me your royal highness?
     
  6. Sleeve_meet_Heart

    Sleeve_meet_Heart making the unreadable unreadabler

    Sleeve, do you think that i just troll around looking for your posts? I have tried explaining to you in another thread the correct language definition in the contract. If you would rather just mis-interpret things your way that's fine, just do not give out bad/misinformation please. Or take the time to understand and let us teach you the right way, like others have helped us to get to be as knowledgeable as we are. its free and doesnt cost you a thing but the rewards of knowing your contract are priceless!



    Show me where he wasn't talking about seasonalt ??? Seems you "know" everything without being informed.

    I made an assumption in hopes that the author would correct me if I was wrong. 90% of cases of layoff on Dec 29-31 are SEASONAL EVEN WITH THE ECONOMY.....man you cannot take a quick joke/jab, take me out of context in over-compensation ....what is next?
     
  7. 705red

    705red Browncafe Steward

    Please show me were i took you out of context! Your obviously talking nonsense of which you have no idea about! And its not the first time you have spoken on something that you yourself have no knowledge of!

    What were your previous screen names? Maybe that would help me better understand you!
     
  8. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    Corycar7......I think your thread was hijacked.
     
  9. Sleeve_meet_Heart

    Sleeve_meet_Heart making the unreadable unreadabler

    I agree, we did.

    But after all of that - all-knowing 705red cannot answer the simple question the thread author asked: Why didn't the local notify the employee of the layoff? Perhaps because that employee was se.......n/m ;)
     
  10. 705red

    705red Browncafe Steward

    The local does not notify you of the layoff, its the companies responsibility to notify the employee. The local will look into the lay off to insure that the employee is able to bump in to a lower position, as in 2 ptime positions, 22.3, porter jobs.

    Have you ever read your fing contract?

    Seriously what other user names have you used to post under?
     
  11. Sleeve_meet_Heart

    Sleeve_meet_Heart making the unreadable unreadabler

     
  12. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    Well, Corycar7 never said if the employee in question was part-time or full-time or their classification. That's why I'm amazed the thread developed the way it has. The only clue as to what the job might be was when he said that the guy was told not to show up Monday on his way out Friday night. That narrows it down a tad but not enough. There just isn't enough information.
     
  13. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    Wait until tomorrow...He will probably be called in.
     
  14. gypsy mcgee

    gypsy mcgee New Member

    Wow, hijacked is right! Anyway, no not seasonal employee, regular p/t. But him and I now know of several others too with less than 2 years layed off.
     
  15. jennie

    jennie New Member

    Yes, it seems the ones who complain the most, DON'T come in on time, nor at all.
     
  16. smf0605

    smf0605 Member

    He didn't say if they were pt or ft - but he did say he was a low seniority employee; which means he wouldn't be a seasonal because seasonals don't gain seniority during the free period.
     
  17. jennie

    jennie New Member

    The seasonals are there to make a buck, like us all. Then, think they are going to get steady work......?? Which, they have to KNOW, the ones that have been there deserve it more, right?
     
  18. HEFFERNAN

    HEFFERNAN Huge Member

    Its the same line of BS they give the driver helpers during orientation. They tell them if they work hard, they will be considered for rehire inside the building. I've never met one that did.

    There are no guarantees at UPS unless you are permanent, and even then they can still twist the words of the contract in their favor. It is up to their local union to make sure the layoff was legit and they are the first ones to be called back.
     
  19. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

     
  20. Sleeve_meet_Heart

    Sleeve_meet_Heart making the unreadable unreadabler

    So your answer is (again, trying to avoid the hi-jacking any further) - the local doesn't give a rats ass, other than if the person laid-off questions it, the local *Should* attempt to make accomodations if there are less seniority workers still working while your friend is laid off.