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<blockquote data-quote="959Nanook" data-source="post: 1023243" data-attributes="member: 14462"><p>Are we talking about "a lot of job<s>" (no high school diploma or DL) that pay better than UPS PT jobs (I agree) or UPS FT top-scale Package Driver (I call shenanigans but the mileage on your definition of "a lot" may vary)?</s></p><p><s></s></p><p><s>I can't think of a single wage paid in my area that pays higher than my hourly wage that does not require a high school diploma. If nothing else... they require a high school diploma to winnow out the applicants. More than likely, they are union if their hourly wage is higher. Even those don't typically make more than we do because they don't pull the consistent straight time or overtime that we do (some do but they still require a high school diploma and many require a DL). There is the obvious caveat of on-call positions. The whole point of "on-call" is generally that you drive out to the urgent/emergency job (requires a DL) even if you work for a small outfit that didn't require a high school diploma. </s></p><p><s></s></p><p><s>The framing of your comment requires us to consider salary positions. Who makes salary high enough to exceed the average top-scale Package Driver and didn't need a high school diploma at a minimum to get the job? Commission jobs... I have coworkers at UPS who work at UPS because they couldn't support a family on commission. Entrepreneurial endeavors... I suppose you may not need a high school diploma and many where you don't "need" a DL. Not sure how that equates into "lots". </s></p><p><s></s></p><p><s>If we were talking about lots of jobs that pay better than UPS PT jobs... I agree. That used to be the whole point of the UPS PT life balance. Work at UPS for bennies and accruing seniority (to later use for better PT position or move into FT position) and go to college and/or work a second job (FT or PT but without bennies) to put food on the table and roof over your head or watch the kids if you couldn't find a second job that paid better than what daycare cost while the spouse worked the FT money job with no bennies. The last Contract kind of put a kink in the compensation hose when bennies were delayed. Add a bad economy and a shifting labor market where it is more difficult for today's new hire to make money outside UPS than what it used to be and rising costs of college... new hire PTers are feeling a tighter squeeze if they didn't roll into UPS Orientation in a position where UPS is not the primary means of supporting themselves. That family man that used to make the sacrifice and work his FT job and PT UPS for bennies isn't as likely to apply as he used to be. </s></p><p><s></s></p><p><s>We have a FT drivers in progression (<u><strong>without</strong></u> guaranteed hours per Local Rider) who make less than 175% Federal Poverty Guidelines (FPG) which doesn't consider the higher cost of living but the wages guaranteed in our Local Rider are supposed to take into account. I don't know how much less than 175% FPG, I just know they qualified for a State health care program. Depending on how much less, they might still be below 175% FPG when they make top-scale because they likely still won't have guaranteed hours yet and minimum scheduling plus covering vacations doesn't get them above 150% FPG at top-scale.</s></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="959Nanook, post: 1023243, member: 14462"] Are we talking about "a lot of job[s]" (no high school diploma or DL) that pay better than UPS PT jobs (I agree) or UPS FT top-scale Package Driver (I call shenanigans but the mileage on your definition of "a lot" may vary)? I can't think of a single wage paid in my area that pays higher than my hourly wage that does not require a high school diploma. If nothing else... they require a high school diploma to winnow out the applicants. More than likely, they are union if their hourly wage is higher. Even those don't typically make more than we do because they don't pull the consistent straight time or overtime that we do (some do but they still require a high school diploma and many require a DL). There is the obvious caveat of on-call positions. The whole point of "on-call" is generally that you drive out to the urgent/emergency job (requires a DL) even if you work for a small outfit that didn't require a high school diploma. The framing of your comment requires us to consider salary positions. Who makes salary high enough to exceed the average top-scale Package Driver and didn't need a high school diploma at a minimum to get the job? Commission jobs... I have coworkers at UPS who work at UPS because they couldn't support a family on commission. Entrepreneurial endeavors... I suppose you may not need a high school diploma and many where you don't "need" a DL. Not sure how that equates into "lots". If we were talking about lots of jobs that pay better than UPS PT jobs... I agree. That used to be the whole point of the UPS PT life balance. Work at UPS for bennies and accruing seniority (to later use for better PT position or move into FT position) and go to college and/or work a second job (FT or PT but without bennies) to put food on the table and roof over your head or watch the kids if you couldn't find a second job that paid better than what daycare cost while the spouse worked the FT money job with no bennies. The last Contract kind of put a kink in the compensation hose when bennies were delayed. Add a bad economy and a shifting labor market where it is more difficult for today's new hire to make money outside UPS than what it used to be and rising costs of college... new hire PTers are feeling a tighter squeeze if they didn't roll into UPS Orientation in a position where UPS is not the primary means of supporting themselves. That family man that used to make the sacrifice and work his FT job and PT UPS for bennies isn't as likely to apply as he used to be. We have a FT drivers in progression ([U][B]without[/B][/U] guaranteed hours per Local Rider) who make less than 175% Federal Poverty Guidelines (FPG) which doesn't consider the higher cost of living but the wages guaranteed in our Local Rider are supposed to take into account. I don't know how much less than 175% FPG, I just know they qualified for a State health care program. Depending on how much less, they might still be below 175% FPG when they make top-scale because they likely still won't have guaranteed hours yet and minimum scheduling plus covering vacations doesn't get them above 150% FPG at top-scale.[/s] [/QUOTE]
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