Making the case to disband ALL public unions and enact a national right to work law.

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by brett636, Nov 15, 2011.

  1. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    SEIU picking pockets of families of disabled in Michigan Hot Air

    So lets say you have a disabled child and you live in Michigan, and you have to spend a significant amount of time caring for your disabled child because they are totally or completely incapable of taking care of themselves. You receive payments from the state's medicaid program to help cover the costs and time you spend to care for your disabled child. In the state of Michigan those disability payments qualify you now as a state employee, and as such make your disability payments subject to having union dues taken out from said payments by the SEUI. This is what you get when public employee unions run amok. The taxpayer pays the government which go to the government employees and their unions who in turn use that money to buy politicians to give them more of the taxpayer's money. Here we have the union basically becoming a direct parasite on the taxpayers themselves by attaching its union dues requirements to people who are just caring for their own disabled child. This really makes the case for why we need to disband all public unions in this country as they have become the parasite on the taxpayers just as the found fathers of the labor union movement predicted they would be. Its not often I say this but I stand with FDR and George Meany, former president of the AFL-CIO, that public employee unions simply should not exist.
     
  2. Sleeve_meet_Heart

    Sleeve_meet_Heart making the unreadable unreadabler

    Re: Making the case to disband ALL public unions and enact a national right to work l

    slimy, vile attempt at trolling. Unless absurdity, I am assuming this is a troll thread.
     
  3. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    Re: Making the case to disband ALL public unions and enact a national right to work l

    I wouldn't support a law disabling the unions but I would support a national right to work law, IF it was deemed constitutional. I've always been pretty big on the States rights vs. national . I do not believe that anyone should HAVE to join a union in order to get a job.

    In the debates on government vs unions and unions vs corporations, people tend to forget that unions are in fact big business.
     
  4. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    Re: Making the case to disband ALL public unions and enact a national right to work l

    Hardly, this is an informative thread on the despicable actions of public sector employee unions and why they should not exist. Do you agree that the SEIU should be picking the pockets of families with disabled children? Its not like they don't already have enough hardships but to have the unions throw another one on top of their already difficult circumstances makes them a parasite rather than the helping hand that unions are supposed to be.
     
  5. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    Re: Making the case to disband ALL public unions and enact a national right to work l

    I am not referring to private sector unions here, only public sector unions who simply are a funnel for taxpayer money into the campaigns of the politicians who support them. Some of the most pro union leaders in our nations history believed that government employees should not have the right to unionize, and I agree with that sentiment.
     
  6. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    Re: Making the case to disband ALL public unions and enact a national right to work l

    If I were you, which I clearly am not, would totally avoid this thread in the future.
     
  7. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    Re: Making the case to disband ALL public unions and enact a national right to work l

    I think it's been obvious that I am not exactly pro union specially when we are taking about public as opposed to private. However, public employees are citizens that deserve the same protections afforded to private sector employees through the unions. Mistreatment of an emploee is wrong, regardless of the employer.
     
  8. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    Re: Making the case to disband ALL public unions and enact a national right to work l

    Who is going to take a stand against mis-treatment of the taxpayer?
     
  9. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    Re: Making the case to disband ALL public unions and enact a national right to work l

    I would oppose any law period whether from the perspective of labor or employer that's purpose is to effect the terms and conditions of employment. IMO, the very reason labor is so weak is that they gave up their power to the State in exchange for labor law and rules written in reality for the benefit of the industrial employers to begin with. Had labor held on to it's power of the at-will strike, labor would be far more powerful and we lost that in the false exchange that under regulated strike conditions, the employer was prohibited from terminating the strikers. Again, a gross violation and intervention into the employer/employee arrangement that caused consequences later.

    Both the at-will strike and freedom to terminate are market mechanisms which can also act as stabilizers when market actions become imbalanced. Removing risks in the marketplace only lead to more imbalance which also result in skewing the marketplace even worse. Minimum wage, maximum wage and other interventions work in the same negative effect. Abolishing the federal Dept. of Labor and federal labor law would in fact unleash the power of labor rather then under the current regime of keeping it bottled up!
     
  10. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    Re: Making the case to disband ALL public unions and enact a national right to work l

    Being a supporter of Cain and his revenue neutral tax plan, I thought you liked and enjoyed being the victim of sadomasochism!
     
  11. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    Re: Making the case to disband ALL public unions and enact a national right to work l

    This is not the Herman Cain thread. If you wish to make a comment relating to Herman Cain please go into the thread labeled "Herman Cain" and make it there. Thank you for your cooperation.
     
  12. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    Re: Making the case to disband ALL public unions and enact a national right to work l

    Truth hurts eh!
     
  13. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    Re: Making the case to disband ALL public unions and enact a national right to work l

    My response was not whether there was truth in your comment or not, and I will contend that there was no truth contained in it. I was directly responding to the fact that this thread's title does not contain, nor does it infer reference to Herman Cain and his brilliant 999 tax plan. You need to stick to the topic at hand or discontinue participation in this thread. Thanks!
     
  14. Sleeve_meet_Heart

    Sleeve_meet_Heart making the unreadable unreadabler

    Re: Making the case to disband ALL public unions and enact a national right to work l

    Absolutely. We've had this talk before (I think trp was in on it as well). I do believe that a freedom of choice with RTW laws is very acceptable, but as I always caveat, ONLY within the restrictions that labor currently has and the power the state and corporations hold.

    the Taft-Hartley act is a pile of garbage.
     
  15. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

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    That's a good point, but why can't both be protected?
     
  16. MrFedEx

    MrFedEx Engorged Member

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    Are you a UPS Teamster? If so, why would you want to attack public employee unions? Guess what...the private sector unions are also on Republican radar and they are the next target. I hope you like working for $15 per hour with crap benefits, because that's what you get with Right To Work (for less) laws and anti-union companies who will take full advantage. Oh, and your pension? Forget about it.
     
  17. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

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    Regular old taxpayers are sick of seeing the public sector union demands break their states budgets. Everyone is suppose to cut back....why not them too?
     
  18. brown bomber

    brown bomber brown bomber

    Re: Making the case to disband ALL public unions and enact a national right to work l

    If anyone is interested, pleases take a look at the defeat of issue 2 (senate bill 5), in the state of Ohio......it was a disaster from day one......In my opinion, with that defeat, it's going to lead to further job losses.......the issue shouldn't have included police, fire , and EMS...into the entire public employee sector........every advertisement featured someone in need or affiliated w/ police or fire depts. however, there are plenty of other public service workers, that are total slackers..and there job is guaranteed..........By the way I voted no on this issue, just to support the safety crews in Ohio

    as far as the rest go.....justify your job, tell me why your entitled to a raise every year, and what are you doing that profits your municipality
     
  19. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    Re: Making the case to disband ALL public unions and enact a national right to work l

    Kevin Carson made a good point about gov't intervention in the employer/employee relationship when he said the following in "Labor Struggle, A Free Market Model",

    Even more on the subject at "The Wobblies and Free Market Labor Struggle"
     
  20. Sleeve_meet_Heart

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