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<blockquote data-quote="pretzel_man" data-source="post: 795024" data-attributes="member: 927"><p>I had to read your post multiple times before I felt I could respond, and I'm sorry for the long comments. Your post says a lot, but in the end, I see huge disconnects.</p><p> </p><p>First, I do not think unions are not a bad thing. Collective bargaining is good, and it helps balance supply and demand. A group of people united have a much stronger voice than those people have individually. There is no question in my mind that because of the Teamsters, UPS employees have more than they would have without the Teamsters.</p><p> </p><p>There are other "necessary evils" that go along with those gains. They are part of the process. Its insincere to take credit for all the good and not also take responsibility for the other side of the coin as well (progressive discipline, documentation, metrics, etc.). They go along with the territory.</p><p> </p><p>I find your comment on aligning with the left an interesting... </p><p> </p><p>Did you know that the Temasters PAC only gives 2% of its donations to Republicans?</p><p>Public Sector PACS (Government) only give 8% to Republicans?</p><p> </p><p>I'm not sure this leads to balance......</p><p> </p><p>UPS by the way gives 55% to republicans.</p><p> </p><p>Finally, a lot has changed in the last 100 years from when unions were necessary to protect the weak and defensless. Today there are regulations, a world economy, global communications, technological advancements and much different working conditions.</p><p> </p><p>Back to the thread yopic... To make unions matter, they need to be seen as a positive force for all Americans. A few times a CNBC video was posted comparing FedEx to UPS. Don't you find it stunning that at the end the commentator says that UPS' unionized workforce is reason enough to NOT invest in the company?</p><p> </p><p>That statement goes way beyond UPS managment and employees. It cuts to the average american who may have meager investments. So, let me ask this question.....</p><p> </p><p>Where are Teamster dollars invested? Where are dollars of those here invested?</p><p> </p><p>Are they only invested in companies that have union employees? Are they only invested in companies that don't care about profit? Or is it invested like I do in reputable companies that have hopes of long term PROFIT GROWTH.</p><p> </p><p>Like it or not, Unions are a business too. To make unions matter, show how unions can help businesses be better. How unions help GROW PROFITS.</p><p> </p><p>To say unions are about fairness and not recognize that the enemy is NOT your own company won't work. Figuring out how to take more and more of the pie slice from shareowners won't help when the pie is being made smaller by non-union workers.</p><p> </p><p>The common enemy should be non-union companies. To make unions matter, customers should want to pay your wages not turn their shipments to non-union companies as they do today. </p><p> </p><p>Time to build bridges, not walls.</p><p> </p><p>Interesting post by you. Happy New Year.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pretzel_man, post: 795024, member: 927"] I had to read your post multiple times before I felt I could respond, and I'm sorry for the long comments. Your post says a lot, but in the end, I see huge disconnects. First, I do not think unions are not a bad thing. Collective bargaining is good, and it helps balance supply and demand. A group of people united have a much stronger voice than those people have individually. There is no question in my mind that because of the Teamsters, UPS employees have more than they would have without the Teamsters. There are other "necessary evils" that go along with those gains. They are part of the process. Its insincere to take credit for all the good and not also take responsibility for the other side of the coin as well (progressive discipline, documentation, metrics, etc.). They go along with the territory. I find your comment on aligning with the left an interesting... Did you know that the Temasters PAC only gives 2% of its donations to Republicans? Public Sector PACS (Government) only give 8% to Republicans? I'm not sure this leads to balance...... UPS by the way gives 55% to republicans. Finally, a lot has changed in the last 100 years from when unions were necessary to protect the weak and defensless. Today there are regulations, a world economy, global communications, technological advancements and much different working conditions. Back to the thread yopic... To make unions matter, they need to be seen as a positive force for all Americans. A few times a CNBC video was posted comparing FedEx to UPS. Don't you find it stunning that at the end the commentator says that UPS' unionized workforce is reason enough to NOT invest in the company? That statement goes way beyond UPS managment and employees. It cuts to the average american who may have meager investments. So, let me ask this question..... Where are Teamster dollars invested? Where are dollars of those here invested? Are they only invested in companies that have union employees? Are they only invested in companies that don't care about profit? Or is it invested like I do in reputable companies that have hopes of long term PROFIT GROWTH. Like it or not, Unions are a business too. To make unions matter, show how unions can help businesses be better. How unions help GROW PROFITS. To say unions are about fairness and not recognize that the enemy is NOT your own company won't work. Figuring out how to take more and more of the pie slice from shareowners won't help when the pie is being made smaller by non-union workers. The common enemy should be non-union companies. To make unions matter, customers should want to pay your wages not turn their shipments to non-union companies as they do today. Time to build bridges, not walls. Interesting post by you. Happy New Year. [/QUOTE]
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