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<blockquote data-quote="beentheredonethat" data-source="post: 1193020" data-attributes="member: 4886"><p>The people that sponge off society is worse. </p><p></p><p>First off, before I start my reasoning, I am not talking about people who CAN NOT help themselves. The society has an obligation to help the less fortunate. I am talking about people who are able to work but decide to go on welfare instead. The women who get pregnant to collect more benefits, those same women who have a 2nd, 3rd, 4th child to get more benefits. The men who impregnate women and don't take responsibility for their children. The second and third generation of families who stay on welfare. </p><p></p><p>Also, corporations themselves who knowingly pollute the water and air. The corporations who hide data that lets dangerous drugs be given to people. Corporations that trade lives for profit are all examples of corporations that should be condemned. I am not talking about these types of corporations. </p><p></p><p>Corporations can be non profit, or for profit. For the sake of this argument, I'll only talk about for profit, since I would assume, most people would agree non profits are there to benefit society as a whole, (hospitals, schools, food shelters etc).</p><p></p><p>Now for my argument, for profit corporations are in existence to produce goods\service to make money for the shareowner(s). If successful, the company employs more and more employees. These employees earn income and pay taxes. The corporation itself pays taxes (employer half of Social security and medicare), unemployment taxes, federal and state, and local taxes. </p><p>Even where reports show companies paid no taxes, they do pay local property tax to help the community, they pay the social security, medicare and unemployment taxes. Some argue, that some corporations manipulate the tax code to reduce their "Fair share". I agree some do, (maybe many do). However, I put that blame squarely on the lawmakers. They have the power to tax and write laws that aren't easy to manipulate. It is our congressman, senators and president who is at fault for writing laws that allow this. Also, we as a people have to realize, it's a global economy, if a company can move overseas and pay a lower tax, they will. We need to understand this and write tax laws that make it attractive to pay taxes to the U.S.</p><p>So in short, a company does pay taxes, even if it escapes federal taxes. The biggest thing companies do is provide that service or goods that allow people to be employed and those employees themselves pay taxes to the government. The more taxes that are paid, the better ability the govt has to help those who truly need help. </p><p></p><p>As for people who can work, but do not. All they are is a drain on society. They take, but never give. What's worse, by them taking money, it can prevent those who truly need it from getting the help they need and deserve.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="beentheredonethat, post: 1193020, member: 4886"] The people that sponge off society is worse. First off, before I start my reasoning, I am not talking about people who CAN NOT help themselves. The society has an obligation to help the less fortunate. I am talking about people who are able to work but decide to go on welfare instead. The women who get pregnant to collect more benefits, those same women who have a 2nd, 3rd, 4th child to get more benefits. The men who impregnate women and don't take responsibility for their children. The second and third generation of families who stay on welfare. Also, corporations themselves who knowingly pollute the water and air. The corporations who hide data that lets dangerous drugs be given to people. Corporations that trade lives for profit are all examples of corporations that should be condemned. I am not talking about these types of corporations. Corporations can be non profit, or for profit. For the sake of this argument, I'll only talk about for profit, since I would assume, most people would agree non profits are there to benefit society as a whole, (hospitals, schools, food shelters etc). Now for my argument, for profit corporations are in existence to produce goods\service to make money for the shareowner(s). If successful, the company employs more and more employees. These employees earn income and pay taxes. The corporation itself pays taxes (employer half of Social security and medicare), unemployment taxes, federal and state, and local taxes. Even where reports show companies paid no taxes, they do pay local property tax to help the community, they pay the social security, medicare and unemployment taxes. Some argue, that some corporations manipulate the tax code to reduce their "Fair share". I agree some do, (maybe many do). However, I put that blame squarely on the lawmakers. They have the power to tax and write laws that aren't easy to manipulate. It is our congressman, senators and president who is at fault for writing laws that allow this. Also, we as a people have to realize, it's a global economy, if a company can move overseas and pay a lower tax, they will. We need to understand this and write tax laws that make it attractive to pay taxes to the U.S. So in short, a company does pay taxes, even if it escapes federal taxes. The biggest thing companies do is provide that service or goods that allow people to be employed and those employees themselves pay taxes to the government. The more taxes that are paid, the better ability the govt has to help those who truly need help. As for people who can work, but do not. All they are is a drain on society. They take, but never give. What's worse, by them taking money, it can prevent those who truly need it from getting the help they need and deserve. [/QUOTE]
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