McCain and Palin

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Hoaxster, Aug 29, 2008.

  1. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    Team McCain is set.
    Who is Sarah Palin?
    Lot's of dynamics here:
    Husband is Union member
    Working class background
    Maverick politician
    Waste cutting executive as AK Gov
     
  2. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    Ah, you beat me! I was going to start this thread. :(

    McCain hit a real home run with his pick. Unlike Biden, Palin is not a longtime Washington insider, and unlike both Obama and Biden she has executive experience as Governor of Alaska. She pay even pull a few hillary supporters over to McCain. Excellent choice for VP, this is a ticket that will ensure a President elect McCain in Nov.
     
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  3. theloader

    theloader New Member

    lol. Wishful thinking at its finest. This move is already drawing comparisons to Quayle and Ferraro. Romney or Lieberman would have both been stronger choices. And her "executive experience" is less than two years as Governor of the 47th least populace state. Time for the conservatives to begin threatening to leave the country. ;)
     
  4. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    Obama's campaign first comment after finding out the choice was that McCain picked a mayor of a small city.....HELLO, they totally left out the fact that she's gov. of a state.

    Like it or not, this was an historic moment also......first time ever a Republican woman as a candidate on the ticket. :peaceful:
     
  5. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    It certainly didn't take you long to copy/paste that propaganda from Obama's website. ;) Experience matters in the first seat on the ticket, not so much on the 2nd. Palin's less than 2 years time as Governor is still more executive experience than Obama himself. The only place I have seen Palin comparisons to Dan Quayle is on ultra liberal websites and nowhere else. I see no comparison to Ferraro as it appears Palin is no moonbat. Finally, Palin's time as governor has been wildly succesful as her approval ratings are in the 90s. So how fast do you think the "America is a racist country" remarks will start flying when Obama loses this election?
     
  6. ups79

    ups79 Active Member

    First time in a long time, I am excited. Not necessarily a republican or a democrat but I do think I might like this ticket.
     
  7. browndevil

    browndevil Active Member

    Regardless of the outcome history will be made in 2008! Now i gotta go google Sarah Palin. Maybe Drewed can give us some insight On Gov. Palin this Sunday night in chat
     
  8. PopCan

    PopCan New Member

    Palin's a good woman. She's only been governor for two years, but she's done more than many do in entire terms. She's capable, and she believes in what she says.

    If McCain wins, I'll be sad to see her leave our state.
     
  9. av8torntn

    av8torntn Well-Known Member

    Alea iacta est

    Now the games really begin. I think with this pick it may give some like me hope that McCain may be getting back to cutting Government role.
     
  10. theloader

    theloader New Member

    Palin has been Governor for 20 Months. Before that she was Mayor of a town of less than 7,000 people. Obama Served in the Illinois State Senate for 8 years and the U.S. Senate for 2. Palin Didn't even win a majority of the vote for the Governorship. And you can find the Quayle comparison in the increasingly conservative AP. Oh, and she has a minor scandal on her hands with supposed pressure applied for the firing of her (ex)brother-in-law as a state trooper. Let's be honest, this is really a dismal ticket for the Republicans.
     
  11. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    My high school Latin is a little rusty.......something about being a risk or taking a chance??
     
  12. diesel96

    diesel96 New Member

    Hockey mom, 2nd place beauty queen, BA in journalism, city counsil than turn mayor of a town population of a whopping 9000 people, Gov of Alaska since dec. 2006 , husband with ties to Oil co. BP, under state investigation involved for the firing of her ex-brother in law who's a state trooper invovled with a messy divorce and child custody case with her sister, and this is the person you want a heartbeat away from the presidency?

    Rep's talking points referring that she has more executive experience than Obama and Biden put together but fail to throw in McCain executive experience as well. With this logic, why should any senator be considered a canidate. In other words she's the most qualified on either ticket to lead our country. This is the biggest blunder in republican politics and really exposes the desperation of the RNC.
     
  13. PopCan

    PopCan New Member

    She currently has an approval rating in the 80s. To keep her ratings this high for two years is a remarkable achievement. I wouldn't say she's that dismal a pick. :happy-very:
     
  14. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    A governor makes more decisions in one week than most Senators have to make in a year. Palin has small business experience, and most importantly EXECUTIVE experience. Obama has none. That is unless you think "community organizing" prepares you for the highest office in the land. :knockedout: I haven't looked at the percentage of the vote she yielded in her campaign, but the truth today is she is hugely popular among her constituents and from what I have read so far accomplished a lot since she took office. Oh, and it appears hillary supporters are also excited about Palin. A sign of things to come? I think so... http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=723
     
  15. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    Her husband is a blue collar union worker, not a high level manager. Her ties to "big oil" is minimal at best. Considering her experience in an executive position, her stances in the issues, and how popular she is as a politician she is a slam dunk for McCain.
     
  16. theloader

    theloader New Member

    Can you McCain supporters actually say you wouldn't have preferred another choice as VP? :/
     
  17. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    Sarah Heath Palin (born February 11, 1964) is the current Governor of Alaska, and a member of the Republican Party. She is the youngest and first female governor of Alaska. Brought to statewide attention because of her whistleblowing on ethical violations by state Republican Party leaders, she won election in 2006 by first defeating the incumbent governor in the Republican primary, then a former Democratic Alaskan governor in the general election. On August 29, the Associated Press reported that "speculation [has] moved to [Palin as a] darkhorse" pick for the vice president running mate slot by presumptive Republican nominee John McCain. The CNBC news service is now reporting that Palin will in fact be the GOP vice-presidential nominee.

    She is reported to be a possible choice for the Republican Party's nomination as Vice President of the United States in the 2008 election. Formal announcement of the presumptive nominee will be made in Dayton, Ohio on August 29, 2008, by Presidential candidate John McCain.
    Palin was born as Sarah Louise Heath in Sandpoint, Idaho, the daughter of Charles and Sally (Sheeran) Heath. Her family moved to Alaska when she was an infant. Charles Heath was a popular science teacher and coached track. The Heaths were avid outdoors enthusiasts; Sarah and her father would sometimes wake at 3 a.m. to hunt moose before school, and the family would regularly run 5k and 10k races.

    Palin was the point guard and captain for the Wasilla High School Warriors, in Wasilla, Alaska, when they won the Alaska small-school basketball championship in 1982. She played the championship game despite a stress fracture in her ankle, hitting a critical free throw in the last seconds.Palin, who was also the head of the school Fellowship of Christian Athletes, would lead the team in prayer before games.

    In 1984, Palin was second-place in the Miss Alaska beauty pageant after winning the Miss Wasilla contest earlier that year, winning a scholarship to help pay her way through college. In the Wasilla pageant, she played the flute and also won Miss Congeniality.

    Details of Palin's personal life have contributed to her political image. She hunts, eats moose burgers, ice fishes, rides snowmobiles, and owns a float plane. Palin holds a lifetime membership with the National Rifle Association. She admits that she used marijuana when it was legal in Alaska, but says that she did not like it.

    Palin holds a bachelor's degree in journalism from the University of Idaho where she also minored in politics. She briefly worked as a sports reporter for local Anchorage television stations while also working as a commercial fisherman with her husband, Todd, her high school sweetheart. One summer when she was working on Todd's fishing boat, the boat collided with a tender while she was holding onto the railing; Palin broke several fingers. Outside the fishing season, Todd works for BP at an oil field on the North Slope and is a champion snowmobiler, winning the 2000-mile "Iron Dog" race four times. The two eloped shortly after Palin graduated college; when they learned they needed witnesses for the civil ceremony, they recruited two residents from the old-age home down the street. Todd is a Native Yup'ik Eskimo. The Palin family lives in Wasilla, about 40 miles north of Anchorage.

    On September 11, 2007, the Palins' son Track joined the Army. Eighteen years old at the time, he is the eldest of Palin's five children. Track now serves in an infantry brigade and will be deployed to Iraq in September. She also has three daughters: Bristol, 17, Willow, 13, and Piper, 7. On April 18, 2008, Palin gave birth to her second son, Trig Paxson Van Palin, who has Down syndrome. She returned to the office three days after giving birth. Palin refused to let the results of prenatal genetic testing change her decision to have the baby. "I'm looking at him right now, and I see perfection," Palin said. "Yeah, he has an extra chromosome. I keep thinking, in our world, what is normal and what is perfect?"

    Palin served two terms on the Wasilla City Council from 1992 to 1996. In 1996, she challenged the incumbent mayor, criticizing wasteful spending and high taxes. The ex-mayor and sheriff tried to organize a recall campaign, but failed. Palin kept her campaign promises, reducing her own salary, as well as reducing property taxes 60%. She ran for reelection against the former mayor in 1999, winning by an even larger margin. Palin was also elected president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors.

    In 2002, Palin made an unsuccessful bid for Lieutenant Governor, coming in second to Loren Leman in a four-way race. After Frank Murkowski resigned from his long-held U.S. Senate seat in mid-term to become governor, Palin interviewed to be his possible successor. Instead, Murkowski appointed his daughter, then-Alaska State Representative Lisa Murkowski.

    Governor Murkowski appointed Palin Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, where she served from 2003 to 2004 until resigning in protest over what she called the "lack of ethics" of fellow Alaskan Republican leaders, who ignored her whistleblowing complaints of legal violations and conflicts of interest. After she resigned, she exposed the state Republican party's chairman, Randy Ruedrich, one of her fellow Oil & Gas commissioners, who was accused of doing work for the party on public time, and supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive e-mail. Palin filed formal complaints against both Ruedrich and former Alaska Attorney General Gregg Renkes, who both resigned; Ruedrich paid a record $12,000 fine.

    In 2006, Palin, running on a clean-government campaign, executed an upset victory over then-Gov. Murkowski in the Republican gubernatorial primary. Despite the lack of support from party leaders and being outspent by her Democratic opponent, she went on to win the general election in November 2006, defeating former Governor Tony Knowles. Palin said in 2006 that education, public safety, and transportation would be three cornerstones of her administration.[​IMG]

    When elected, Palin became the first woman to be Alaska's governor, and the youngest governor in Alaskan history at 42 years old upon taking office. Palin was also the first Alaskan governor born after Alaska achieved U.S. statehood. She was also the first Alaskan governor not to be inaugurated in Juneau, instead choosing to hold her inauguration ceremony in Fairbanks. She took office on December 4, 2006.

    Highlights of Governor Palin's tenure include a successful push for an ethics bill, and also shelving pork-barrel projects supported by fellow Republicans. Palin successfully killed the Bridge to Nowhere project that had become a nationwide symbol of wasteful earmark spending. "Alaska needs to be self-sufficient, she says, instead of relying heavily on 'federal dollars,' as the state does today."

    She has challenged the state's Republican leaders, helping to launch a campaign by Lieutenant Governor Sean Parnell to unseat U.S. Congressman Don Young and publicly challenging Senator Ted Stevens to come clean about the federal investigation into his financial dealings. Palin supports holding occasional legislative sessions outside the state capital, and municipal revenue sharing to help local governments.

    Palin's tenure is noted for her independence from big oil companies, while still promoting resource development. Palin has announced plans to create a new sub-cabinet group of advisors, to address climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions within Alaska.

    Shortly after taking office, Palin rescinded an appointment by Murkowski of his former chief of staff Jim Clark to the Alaska Natural Gas Development Authority, one of thirty-five appointments made by Murkowski in the last hour of his administration that she reversed. Clark later pled guilty to conspiring with a defunct oil-field-services company to channel money into Frank Murkowski's re-election campaign.

    In March 2007, Palin presented the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act (AGIA) as the new legal vehicle for building a natural gas pipeline from the state's North Slope. Only one legislator, Representative Ralph Samuels, voted against the measure, and in June Palin signed it into law. On January 5, 2008, Palin announced that a Canadian company, Transcanada, was the sole AGIA-compliant applicant.

    In response to high oil and gas prices, and in response to the resulting state government budget surplus, Palin proposed giving Alaskans $100-a-month energy debit cards. She also proposed providing grants to electrical utilities so that they would reduce customers' rates. She subsequently dropped the debit card proposal, and in its place she proposed to send Alaskans $1,200 directly and eliminate the gas tax.

    Palin is strongly pro-life and belongs to Feminists for Life.[​IMG] She opposes same-sex marriage(we will have to work on this one, but she has stated that she has gay friends and is receptive to gay and lesbian concerns about discrimination.[​IMG] While the previous administration did not implement same-sex benefits, Palin complied with a state Supreme Court order and signed them into law.

    She supported a democratic advisory vote from the public on whether there should be a constitutional amendment on the matter. Alaska was one of the first U.S. states to pass a constitutional ban on gay marriage, in 1998, along with Hawaii.

    Palin's first veto was used to block legislation that would have barred the state from granting benefits to gay state employees and their partners. In effect, her veto granted State of Alaska benefits to same-sex couples. The veto occurred after Palin consulted with Alaska's attorney general on the constitutionality of the legislation.
     
  18. brett636

    brett636 Well-Known Member

    Reading Palin's bio and record I can definitly say I could not be happier with this pick.
     
  19. drewed

    drewed Shankman

    It was a shocking pick for Alaskans, on the radio this morning the reports were she flew to Dayton during the night, we all assumed it was for a surgery or something completely different then it was.


    Yes Alaska maybe one of the least populist states, but we're one of the most profitable states (more so duriing her cost cutting) we have one of the most diverse populations, and workforces. She may not have head of state foreign policy expierence but she frequently deals with the Canadian, Japanese, and Korea goverments with issues from resource management, to military excersises done in the state. She was not the logical pick, McCaiin could have picked a another senator with years of exp or a former sect of state and joint chiefs member. He picked someone that hasn't played smear campaigns against opponents, a Washington outsider someone that will breath fresh air into the campaign and the country.
    She has the highest approval rating of any sitting governor after 2 years in office, she did have a transgression involving her former brother in law that is a state trooper, but what would you do if someone threatened to kill your sister? Most people would do exactly what she did, asked the Public Saftey Officer (oversees the troopers) to investigate one of his officers.
     
  20. diesel96

    diesel96 New Member

    Please Brett...Talk about cut and paste, we all have google. What a shocker,all the brown conservatives talked about was inexperience obama this, and inexperienced obama that , and now the chioce of PTA hockey mom and newly elected Gov. Sarah (who) is a slam dunk to be a heartbeat away from the most powerful job in the world. Now someone mentioned they don't blame her for acting like she did with her ex-brother in law, imagine what she'll do to him with a couple of apache attack helos and some tomahawks? He better run and hide with Bin Ladin in the mountains of Afghanistan.