brownIEman
Well-Known Member
I assumed nothing. I deduced that you made a crass personal insult toward me. I made this deduction based on the context, and you have freely admitted I was correct. Yet you want to somehow make me the bad guy for making an assumption? That seems odd.
I did not really expect an apology.
No, putting the wrong package in a car causes misloads. Period. Being distracted by outside noise is not the cause of misloads, it is an excuse. I fully believe management should not be screaming at loaders under any circumstances, it is still not a valid excuse for misloading.
I do not know the particulars in the mirror cases you site. If you are correct in all aspects of it, I would agree that is unfair. I would bet however, that you are wrong about "nothing happened to the sup". Usually the flaying that sups get for such transgressions is done in private. I do not understand why you say the driver was suspended and then you say he got is job back? If he was suspended he never lost his job to begin with.
and I have no problem with you believing sober. I was really more looking for clarification from him. I agreed with him that not having the safety items in the cars is a stupid thing UPS does. I merely doubted that they were received by the manufacturer with those safety items and then UPS paid extra money to remove them, as sober seems to be saying. That I have a hard time believing. Guess I will agree to disagree with both of you. Which I am capable of doing without calling either of you names.
Good for you, bad for him. Not really sure what your point is. For my part, I have never seen management "set a driver up" for success or failure. I have seen management, including myself, try to make the best choices possible given often unreasonable constraints of resources and time.
I am making the assumption here that when your dispatcher is on vacation your center manager covers for him, and things are much better on the dispatch end in those cases? If that is the case, the only deduction I can offer based on the limited information you are giving is that your center manager has a much greater Area knowledge of all the routes in your center than does your dispatcher.
No, there is really no need for you to comment on the micromanaging, as sober pointed it out as stupidity and I started my reply to that point of his with the word "agreed". As far as I can tell we are all on the same page on that one.
whereas your mantra is just a storm of variability I suppose?
and if you re-read BrownMonsters post, you may find that my lack of a changing mantra was really not his central point.
UnconTROLLed
perfection
You're completely out of touch with reality, if you believe this.
You are implying that people are robots, which is very sad and a symptom of the corporate culture, but ignorant and naive to science.
brownIEman
Well-Known Member
Dude, which part?
UnconTROLLed
perfection
Dude? really?
It doesn't matter which part, dude, as I think you would not "get it" anyway.
brownIEman
Well-Known Member
Never mind, I am going to do what so many around here do and just pick and choose what to hammer.
In that spirit, I am going to rebut your argument in this way -
I said: " I fully believe management should not be screaming at loaders under any circumstances,"
to which you replied that I am completely out of touch with reality if I believe it.
You are harsh. And ready. Put your letter in.
In that spirit, I am going to rebut your argument in this way -
I said: " I fully believe management should not be screaming at loaders under any circumstances,"
to which you replied that I am completely out of touch with reality if I believe it.
You are harsh. And ready. Put your letter in.
UnconTROLLed
perfection
I personally would agree micro-managing is generally a pointless exercise in attempted superiority.
UnconTROLLed
perfection
So, "brownIEman", what you are saying (directly, I might add) is that two wrongs make a right?
Would you also imply, or say outright, that it is okay to steal from the co., when the co. steals from you?
menotyou
bella amicizia
I appreciate his reply, and it's tone. I think he appears to be a nice gentleman. But, I disagree with his logic. IEman, if I worked in your building, I'd offer you one of my homemade chocolate chip cookies. Or, some Mac and Cheese. But, what is sad is that I have to 'work my ass off to try and work my ass off'. Why a good employee isn't appreciated is so far beyond my realm of thinking.
UnconTROLLed
perfection
There are no "good employee" at UPS. It is all about making downtime and doing anything to impress the DM and above shills. The best employees are dispensable heros.
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brownIEman
Well-Known Member
No, two wrongs do not make a right. I said I was posting in a way others here do, I never claimed I felt I was doing the right thing by doing so.
brownIEman
Well-Known Member
if you truly believe this you are completely out of touch with reality
There are great employees at UPS. I know, I have some that report to me. There are some not so good employees at UPS. I have some of those too. We all have jobs to do, and we are expected to do them to the best of our ability. If my employees do that, I really don't care what the numbers were. If they don't, well I need to do the best I can to correct that. I do it in a non confrontational, respectful manner. That is just my way. The DM can scream at me all he wants, I have very thick skin, and personally have absolutely zero regard for impressing him.
menotyou
bella amicizia
I wish more felt this way.if you truly believe this you are completely out of touch with reality
There are great employees at UPS. I know, I have some that report to me. There are some not so good employees at UPS. I have some of those too. We all have jobs to do, and we are expected to do them to the best of our ability. If my employees do that, I really don't care what the numbers were. If they don't, well I need to do the best I can to correct that. I do it in a non confrontational, respectful manner. That is just my way. The DM can scream at me all he wants, I have very thick skin, and personally have absolutely zero regard for impressing him.
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anonymous6
Guest
if you truly believe this you are completely out of touch with reality
There are great employees at UPS. I know, I have some that report to me. There are some not so good employees at UPS. I have some of those too. We all have jobs to do, and we are expected to do them to the best of our ability. If my employees do that, I really don't care what the numbers were. If they don't, well I need to do the best I can to correct that. I do it in a non confrontational, respectful manner. That is just my way. The DM can scream at me all he wants, I have very thick skin, and personally have absolutely zero regard for impressing him.
you are an anomoly. wish there were more like you.
brownmonster
Man of Great Wisdom
If they ever do a movie about the strike, Joe Pesci could play Ron Carey. "Part time America doesn't work".
Catatonic
Nine Lives
And not too many work full-time either.
Packmule
Well-Known Member
Union was trying to bankrupt our pension. UPS was trying to save us. Sadly, it took another 20 years before members smartened up and demanded that our union do exactly what UPS was trying to do FOR US in 97. I also saved every scrap of paper, and yes, it was eye opening to see how many lies the Teamsters told so they could keep bilking our retirement to pay for our competitors' retirement.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Catatonic
Nine Lives
That was before deregulation ... in a galaxy a long time ago.
