Michael Moore Hit in the Face with Reality?

moreluck

golden ticket member
We do Vegas twice a year. I always have 1099's to claim as income from winnings. I deduct losses up to that amount.....every year at tax time.
 

rod

Retired 22 years
We do Vegas twice a year. I always have 1099's to claim as income from winnings. I deduct losses up to that amount.....every year at tax time.

So how are you doing in Vegas? Let me guess--- you either break even or make enough to pay for the trip. Everyone I have ever questioned about how they did on their trip to Vegas has replied with one of those answers. I've been to Vegas 3 times in my life and will admit I lost my :censored2: (or at least what I had budgeted for).
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
The winning is always temporary. I've had good years.....but when all totalled I'm not ahead. If anybody says they're ahead.....it's only temporary.
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
So how are you doing in Vegas? Let me guess--- you either break even or make enough to pay for the trip. Everyone I have ever questioned about how they did on their trip to Vegas has replied with one of those answers. I've been to Vegas 3 times in my life and will admit I lost my :censored2: (or at least what I had budgeted for).

Then why go back? Never been to Vegas cause never seen the need to be honest. If I want to throw away money I can do it far cheaper locally just by going once a year to the fair midway and playing Carny games. Sure the winnings aren't as nice and the atmosphere as glamorous but in the end, like you I lose my money and at least I've not incurred the travel costs to boot!

:wink2:
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
Of course, the gambling is a high or sickness, whichever term you prefer. I don't drink, I don't smoke (now), I had to give up sugar....I Love the thrill of the machines....not slots. Where I go, they give me a suite......free meals, for my guests too....we've had 8 people for fancy dinners and they've picked up the tab..........free Starbucks (inside their casino). The only thing not paid for on our trips is the gas to get there and the actual gambling money and any movies on the pay per view.. Sometimes I will find $200 on my Player's card. On top of everything else, my daughter and granddaughters live there so we come to see them as often as we can.
 

rod

Retired 22 years
Then why go back? Never been to Vegas cause never seen the need to be honest. If I want to throw away money I can do it far cheaper locally just by going once a year to the fair midway and playing Carny games. Sure the winnings aren't as nice and the atmosphere as glamous but in the end, like you I lose my money and at least I've not incurred the travel costs to boot!

:wink2:

Imagine going to your local carnival --------------------------then times that feeling by a thousand. Vegas is an exciting place to visit and actually there are many things to do other than just gamble. I rode on the Big Shot ride on top of the Stratousphere and I guarantee you that is way scarier than any ride at any carnival. If nothing else you could visit the pawn shop where those 3 idiots on tv screw people out of their stolen family heirlooms.
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moreluck

golden ticket member
There's also Ethel M's chocolate Factory and the M&M's store.....great touristy stuff. Hoover Dam close by.....so you can take the dam tour!
The Bellagio has the most beautiful indoor gardens....free to see and they are decorated seasonally. Christmas time is gorgeous.

The old downtown is now the Fremont Street experience.....like a city walk.....no cars on the streets....the old timey casinos....and a great laser light show after dark. There is also monorail to a bunch of the casinos. There are great 'picture taking' opportunities everywhere.....like the naked David at Caesar's Palace. I had my picture taken with a sexy Roman gladiator at Caesar's also. The shops at Caesars are fun too....too expensive for my tastes with the exception of a great candy (chocolate) shop and wonderful gelato. (can't have it anymore). And, the statues in the concouse move and there's a show with them hourly.

This doesn't even cover all the stars & celebrities appearing and performing in the show rooms at night. Lots to do for every person's taste.
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
Imagine going to your local carnival --------------------------then times that feeling by a thousand. Vegas is an exciting place to visit and actually there are many things to do other than just gamble. I rode on the Big Shot ride on top of the Stratousphere and I guarantee you that is way scarier than any ride at any carnival. If nothing else you could visit the pawn shop where those 3 idiots on tv screw people out of their stolen family heirlooms.
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I don't know, that fat lady sure looked pretty scary!
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More, We always stay downtown and love it. I am a very early riser, sometimes as early as 4 a.m. my wife likes to sleep in comparatively. It's so easy for me to dress, go downstairs to grab a cup of coffee and play a little dollar blackjack or hit one of the other casinos within CLOSE walking distance (that's important since my back injury). When the wife wakes up, she calls me on the cell phone and I can back to the room in five minutes with a fresh cup for her. On the strip the walk from door to door is nearly a mile and never saw any $1 blackjack.

I budget $X dollars and if it is gone, well it's just gone, so would the $$ I budget for any other land based vacation. I've always love neon lights and smokey ole bars, Vegas just takes it to another level.

OH and MM is still a fat greedy basta....awww you know what I mean.
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
I love visiting the Golden Nugget down there. Always the off chance that a car will drive off the parking garage....big excitement! One of the casinos down there (can't recall the name) has a lunchroom that's all dark wood and deep green decor and reminds me of what a men's club would decorate like. It's on the same side of street as Golden Nugget.
 

The Other Side

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Tie,
I will be more curious on a reply from Diesel than you on what "viable solutions " I
would propose.
I am tired wasting the lives of our young and spending billions and billions of dollars on "Nation Building" If Bush lied about anything --Nation building was it.
I would immediately --but safely remove all of our troops from the middle east, from Germany,Japan , Korea --etc.
I would use our troops to secure our borders --transition many to permanent border security, I would have them address all disasters in the U.S. --floods, fires,earthquakes etc. For example I would have already completely rebuilt New Orleans --rather that building schools, bridges, roads and hospitals in the middle east.
I would have out National guard freeing many of our citizens from gang infested and drug ridden neighborhoods that we cannot now control. I would make sure that every child in America was properly educated and fed before I gave away any of our tax money to dirtbag governments around the world. I would have our military complex develop the next generation of weapons to protect and defend.
I would take part in the Global economy with malice toward none.
The Kicker ---Major dollars would be spent on RELIABLE intelligence. If a true clear and present danger to our people and country would emerge ----I would immediately eliminate the threat with all the power we have.
We are not fighting a war ---we are "Nation Building" --Waste of Blood and Treasure.
Too Right or Too Left ????:wink2:

Island,

I rarely side with you on anything, but in this regard, I agree with you and echo your sentiments.

Peace.
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
Are you saying Moore is a Hypocrite...no way. LOL.:funny:

Yeah but I've always said that. Kevin Leffler is the guy I was trying to think of, he grew up and lives in the Flint area and even went to school with big Mike. His movie from 2008' is called Shooting Michael Moore.
 

island1fox

Well-Known Member
tos,
If we had a one on one "beer summit" I believe we would find much more agreement that not. Sometimes it just comes down to non-partisan-non biased common sense.
 

hubrat

Squeaky Wheel
Re: Michael Moore...(Did anyone really hear what he said?)

Speech delivered at Wisconsin Capitol in Madison, March 5, 2011

America is not broke.

Contrary to what those in power would like you to believe so that you'll give up your pension, cut your wages, and settle for the life your great-grandparents had, America is not broke. Not by a long shot. The country is awash in wealth and cash. It's just that it's not in your hands. It has been transferred, in the greatest heist in history, from the workers and consumers to the banks and the portfolios of the uber-rich.

Today just 400 Americans have more wealth than half of all Americans combined.

Let me say that again. 400 obscenely rich people, most of whom benefited in some way from the multi-trillion dollar taxpayer "bailout" of 2008, now have more loot, stock and property than the assets of 155 million Americans combined. If you can't bring yourself to call that a financial coup d'état, then you are simply not being honest about what you know in your heart to be true.

And I can see why. For us to admit that we have let a small group of men abscond with and hoard the bulk of the wealth that runs our economy, would mean that we'd have to accept the humiliating acknowledgment that we have indeed surrendered our precious Democracy to the moneyed elite. Wall Street, the banks and the Fortune 500 now run this Republic -- and, until this past month, the rest of us have felt completely helpless, unable to find a way to do anything about it.

I have nothing more than a high school degree. But back when I was in school, every student had to take one semester of economics in order to graduate. And here's what I learned: Money doesn't grow on trees. It grows when we make things. It grows when we have good jobs with good wages that we use to buy the things we need and thus create more jobs. It grows when we provide an outstanding educational system that then grows a new generation of inventers, entrepreneurs, artists, scientists and thinkers who come up with the next great idea for the planet. And that new idea creates new jobs and that creates revenue for the state. But if those who have the most money don't pay their fair share of taxes, the state can't function. The schools can't produce the best and the brightest who will go on to create those jobs. If the wealthy get to keep most of their money, we have seen what they will do with it: recklessly gamble it on crazy Wall Street schemes and crash our economy. The crash they created cost us millions of jobs. That too caused a reduction in revenue. And the population ended up suffering because they reduced their taxes, reduced our jobs and took wealth out of the system, removing it from circulation.

The nation is not broke, my friends. Wisconsin is not broke. It's part of the Big Lie. It's one of the three biggest lies of the decade: America/Wisconsin is broke, Iraq has WMD, the Packers can't win the Super Bowl without Brett Favre.

The truth is, there's lots of money to go around. LOTS. It's just that those in charge have diverted that wealth into a deep well that sits on their well-guarded estates. They know they have committed crimes to make this happen and they know that someday you may want to see some of that money that used to be yours. So they have bought and paid for hundreds of politicians across the country to do their bidding for them. But just in case that doesn't work, they've got their gated communities, and the luxury jet is always fully fueled, the engines running, waiting for that day they hope never comes. To help prevent that day when the people demand their country back, the wealthy have done two very smart things:

1. They control the message. By owning most of the media they have expertly convinced many Americans of few means to buy their version of the American Dream and to vote for their politicians. Their version of the Dream says that you, too, might be rich some day – this is America, where anything can happen if you just apply yourself! They have conveniently provided you with believable examples to show you how a poor boy can become a rich man, how the child of a single mother in Hawaii can become president, how a guy with a high school education can become a successful filmmaker. They will play these stories for you over and over again all day long so that the last thing you will want to do is upset the apple cart -- because you -- yes, you, too! -- might be rich/president/an Oscar-winner some day! The message is clear: keep your head down, your nose to the grindstone, don't rock the boat and be sure to vote for the party that protects the rich man that you might be some day.

2. They have created a poison pill that they know you will never want to take. It is their version of mutually assured destruction. And when they threatened to release this weapon of mass economic annihilation in September of 2008, we blinked. As the economy and the stock market went into a tailspin, and the banks were caught conducting a worldwide Ponzi scheme, Wall Street issued this threat: Either hand over trillions of dollars from the American taxpayers or we will crash this economy straight into the ground. Fork it over or it's Goodbye savings accounts. Goodbye pensions. Goodbye United States Treasury. Goodbye jobs and homes and future. It was friggin' awesome and it scared the out of everyone. "Here! Take our money! We don't care. We'll even print more for you! Just take it! But, please, leave our lives alone, PLEASE!"

The executives in the board rooms and hedge funds could not contain their laughter, their glee, and within three months they were writing each other huge bonus checks and marveling at how perfectly they had played a nation full of suckers. Millions lost their jobs anyway, and millions lost their homes. But there was no revolt (see #1).

Until now. On Wisconsin! Never has a Michigander been more happy to share a big, great lake with you! You have aroused the sleeping giant know as the working people of the United States of America. Right now the earth is shaking and the ground is shifting under the feet of those who are in charge. Your message has inspired people in all 50 states and that message is: WE HAVE HAD IT! We reject anyone tells us America is broke and broken. It's just the opposite! We are rich with talent and ideas and hard work and, yes, love. Love and compassion toward those who have, through no fault of their own, ended up as the least among us. But they still crave what we all crave: Our country back! Our democracy back! Our good name back! The United States of America. NOT the Corporate States of America. The United States of America!

So how do we get this? Well, we do it with a little bit of Egypt here, a little bit of Madison there. And let us pause for a moment and remember that it was a poor man with a fruit stand in Tunisia who gave his life so that the world might focus its attention on how a government run by billionaires for billionaires is an affront to freedom and morality and humanity.

Thank you, Wisconsin. You have made people realize this was our last best chance to grab the final thread of what was left of who we are as Americans. For three weeks you have stood in the cold, slept on the floor, skipped out of town to Illinois -- whatever it took, you have done it, and one thing is for certain: Madison is only the beginning. The smug rich have overplayed their hand. They couldn't have just been content with the money they raided from the treasury. They couldn't be satiated by simply removing millions of jobs and shipping them overseas to exploit the poor elsewhere. No, they had to have more – something more than all the riches in the world. They had to have our soul. They had to strip us of our dignity. They had to shut us up and shut us down so that we could not even sit at a table with them and bargain about simple things like classroom size or bulletproof vests for everyone on the police force or letting a pilot just get a few extra hours sleep so he or she can do their job -- their $19,000 a year job. That's how much some rookie pilots on commuter airlines make, maybe even the rookie pilots flying people here to Madison. But he's stopped trying to get better pay. All he asks is that he doesn't have to sleep in his car between shifts at O'Hare airport. That's how despicably low we have sunk. The wealthy couldn't be content with just paying this man $19,000 a year. They wanted to take away his sleep. They wanted to demean and dehumanize him. After all, he's just another slob.

And that, my friends, is Corporate America's fatal mistake. But trying to destroy us they have given birth to a movement -- a movement that is becoming a massive, nonviolent revolt across the country. We all knew there had to be a breaking point some day, and that point is upon us. Many people in the media don't understand this. They say they were caught off guard about Egypt, never saw it coming. Now they act surprised and flummoxed about why so many hundreds of thousands have come to Madison over the last three weeks during brutal winter weather. "Why are they all standing out there in the cold? I mean there was that election in November and that was supposed to be that!

"There's something happening here, and you don't know what it is, do you...?"

America ain't broke! The only thing that's broke is the moral compass of the rulers. And we aim to fix that compass and steer the ship ourselves from now on. Never forget, as long as that Constitution of ours still stands, it's one person, one vote, and it's the thing the rich hate most about America -- because even though they seem to hold all the money and all the cards, they begrudgingly know this one unshakeable basic fact: There are more of us than there are of them!

Madison, do not retreat. We are with you. We will win together.
 
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