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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 189654" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Big,</p><p> </p><p>I would want and be inclined to think that except for one small point of order. The 9/11 event was crafted and carried out by known terrorists of Mid-Eastern origin and of Sunni religious belief. Most were from Saudi Arabia and I think the rest from Egypt but the point is they fit a very certain profile which you and I as well as others would agree on. And no I don't believe there was any gov't or Bush conspiracy behind this. </p><p> </p><p>As a result of the 9/11 events, new procedures for boarding commercial aircraft were put in place but what has been reported are incidents of folks obviously fitting this type of profile who are given only the basic "look at" prior to boarding but at the same time, little old ladies of non mid-eastern extraction are pulled aside for a further "look at". There have been numerous incidents of folks nowhere near the terrorist profile being searched while those who do fit in effect, walk on by. All this being done to avoid the complaint of racial profiling and especially if something is found and then the accused party voids the action in court using the "equal protection" clause of the 14th amendment. </p><p> </p><p>Now given this bureacratic lunacy that even your beloved Mike Savage (sorry if I butchered his last name) or even Limbaugh has ranted on is taking place, would it not seem plausible, even probable, that in fact the average "joe" is being looked at with the specific purpose of avoiding the "profiling" claim in case something is uncovered and goes to the point of being used in court?</p><p> </p><p>You are dealing with lawyers my friend so you have to go with the track record (the 60's proved the gov't spies on the average joe for example) and the other fact is lawyers operate on precedence and there is precedence that the gov't spies on the average joe from time to time and for means we consider completely normal. Would you like to come over for a steak and beer with myself and my next door neighbor (criminal investigator for the IRS, now retired and a super neighbor I might add) and discuss some of the areas he can and learn just what goes on from time to time that you never hear about? And oh yeah, there are some great gut buster stories as well. Actually many more of them than the bad ones thankfully.</p><p> </p><p>I do hope your blind naivete proves the right course at the end of the day but knowing the gov't track record on a number of fronts I just don't have the confidence in them that you do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 189654, member: 2189"] Big, I would want and be inclined to think that except for one small point of order. The 9/11 event was crafted and carried out by known terrorists of Mid-Eastern origin and of Sunni religious belief. Most were from Saudi Arabia and I think the rest from Egypt but the point is they fit a very certain profile which you and I as well as others would agree on. And no I don't believe there was any gov't or Bush conspiracy behind this. As a result of the 9/11 events, new procedures for boarding commercial aircraft were put in place but what has been reported are incidents of folks obviously fitting this type of profile who are given only the basic "look at" prior to boarding but at the same time, little old ladies of non mid-eastern extraction are pulled aside for a further "look at". There have been numerous incidents of folks nowhere near the terrorist profile being searched while those who do fit in effect, walk on by. All this being done to avoid the complaint of racial profiling and especially if something is found and then the accused party voids the action in court using the "equal protection" clause of the 14th amendment. Now given this bureacratic lunacy that even your beloved Mike Savage (sorry if I butchered his last name) or even Limbaugh has ranted on is taking place, would it not seem plausible, even probable, that in fact the average "joe" is being looked at with the specific purpose of avoiding the "profiling" claim in case something is uncovered and goes to the point of being used in court? You are dealing with lawyers my friend so you have to go with the track record (the 60's proved the gov't spies on the average joe for example) and the other fact is lawyers operate on precedence and there is precedence that the gov't spies on the average joe from time to time and for means we consider completely normal. Would you like to come over for a steak and beer with myself and my next door neighbor (criminal investigator for the IRS, now retired and a super neighbor I might add) and discuss some of the areas he can and learn just what goes on from time to time that you never hear about? And oh yeah, there are some great gut buster stories as well. Actually many more of them than the bad ones thankfully. I do hope your blind naivete proves the right course at the end of the day but knowing the gov't track record on a number of fronts I just don't have the confidence in them that you do. [/QUOTE]
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