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<blockquote data-quote="Ironshot" data-source="post: 208360" data-attributes="member: 6881"><p>JonFrum, Red705,</p><p> </p><p>First JonFrum, Thanks for the link. I skimmed over it and it seems the reduced payouts would be for new companies participating after Apr. 2003. But, Ups is already grandfathered in right. In my post I wasn't cheering for them as a alternitive to the IBT. My position is these Old Union operations aren't in touch with the members, perhaps the members are to blame for their lack of participation in the unions governing process. I just was pointing out the fact that Machinist within UPS get a much better pension check</p><p>from the same dollars. While the Teamsters get way less.</p><p>Last time I checked the Machinist fund was in the 124% funded area. Is there some fact I'm missing here? </p><p>Red705, you say Machinist that you know of don't like their Union. Might be the Local? Individuals complaining doesn't</p><p>change the effect of higher or lower Pension checks. Somewhere, The Machinist handled the cash with more responsibility and the Teamster blew it all the way around.</p><p>Perhaps this is why the IBT is approving the plan for UPS to remove its self from the CS. Ten years ago this was very very bad for members. Today it is a serious idea and Great for the members? According to hall. The idea here is we aren't in control. The people in charge of these big business unions don't see what's good for "us" but, what is good for the Int'l first and for most. As history is showing us now, Ten years ago the Transfer from CS to UPS would have been great for UPSers. Same now goes for the APWA, A union for UPSers only. We can have much greater control over things affecting us here and now. We UPSers not stuffed shirts in D.C. . We UPSers have the keys to start and stop the Brown Machine and only us. We don't have to worry about the Cop Teamsters, Flight Attendant teamsters, Lawn cutting Teamsters and all the other misc. workers covered by the IBT.</p><p>Why is this escaping some people?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ironshot, post: 208360, member: 6881"] JonFrum, Red705, First JonFrum, Thanks for the link. I skimmed over it and it seems the reduced payouts would be for new companies participating after Apr. 2003. But, Ups is already grandfathered in right. In my post I wasn't cheering for them as a alternitive to the IBT. My position is these Old Union operations aren't in touch with the members, perhaps the members are to blame for their lack of participation in the unions governing process. I just was pointing out the fact that Machinist within UPS get a much better pension check from the same dollars. While the Teamsters get way less. Last time I checked the Machinist fund was in the 124% funded area. Is there some fact I'm missing here? Red705, you say Machinist that you know of don't like their Union. Might be the Local? Individuals complaining doesn't change the effect of higher or lower Pension checks. Somewhere, The Machinist handled the cash with more responsibility and the Teamster blew it all the way around. Perhaps this is why the IBT is approving the plan for UPS to remove its self from the CS. Ten years ago this was very very bad for members. Today it is a serious idea and Great for the members? According to hall. The idea here is we aren't in control. The people in charge of these big business unions don't see what's good for "us" but, what is good for the Int'l first and for most. As history is showing us now, Ten years ago the Transfer from CS to UPS would have been great for UPSers. Same now goes for the APWA, A union for UPSers only. We can have much greater control over things affecting us here and now. We UPSers not stuffed shirts in D.C. . We UPSers have the keys to start and stop the Brown Machine and only us. We don't have to worry about the Cop Teamsters, Flight Attendant teamsters, Lawn cutting Teamsters and all the other misc. workers covered by the IBT. Why is this escaping some people? [/QUOTE]
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