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And the Republicans have a majority of the House.
That's the issue ... nothing changed with the election of 2012. It's the same afterwards as it was before.
Mr. Smith attends Obama"s meeting on fiscal cliff deficit
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And the Republicans have a majority of the House.
That's the issue ... nothing changed with the election of 2012. It's the same afterwards as it was before.
thedownhillEXPRESS
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Republicans should have thought of that 10 years ago when they cut taxes without cutting equivalent spending, and then spent half a trillion dollars destroying and then rebuilding another country.
thedownhillEXPRESS
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We'll I wouldn't say exactly nothing has changed, I think with each passing day the public grasps more and more how out of touch and beholden to the rich the Republicans are...and the polls prove it,or do we still not believe in them?
hypo hanna
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I doubt the hard core teabaggers get it. A recent poll of GOP voters showed 49% believe ACORN stole the election for Obama. In spite of the fact ACORN hasn't been in existence since 2010. This is what happens when only get your information from FOX.
thedownhillEXPRESS
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My favorite is when they blame it on all the blacks and Mexicans even though whites accounted for 75% of the vote.
It's like they can't comprehend that 37 million "white" people voted for Obama....
It's like they can't comprehend that 37 million "white" people voted for Obama....
The Bush tax cuts were apparently beneficial because Obama says he'll leave them in place for 98% of the taxpayers. Odd that you focus on Bush spending that much, but give Obama a pass for spending so much more.
No, it's that they realize their msg isn't resonating with blacks and Hispanics. It's not about blame, it's about convincing voters that fiscal responsibility is more important than giving every group free stuff we can't afford.
Cite the poll...and if you have any grace at all you'll refrain from using pornographic references to primarily concerned old folks who see this country deteriorating.
And just how are they dealing with women and minorities?
Bush put both wars on the books too, even Obama in 2008 said Bush spent 4 trillion. Where's the results of $6 Trillion? He greatly expanded the Federal gov't, spent billions propping up teachers unions and other public unions like the SEIU, and made billions of losing bets on alternative energy companies, among other things. It's like a liberal bucket list. And I haven't been defending Bush here other than to remind people that while attacking Bush you should notice how Obama is ruining your kid's future.
MrFedEx
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Interesting that "free stuff" has been the main Fox/GOP talking point since Rush introduced the term on the day following the election. Please list all the "free stuff" minorities receive, and while you're at it please list all the "free stuff" big companies receive in terms of corporate welfare or individuals like Mitt Romney who only pay 15% income tax because they receive most of their money from dividends/investments.
hypo hanna
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"Teabaggers" was originally a name some gave themselves before they found out about the negative conatation. If that's what you want to read into it maybe its your mind that's in the gutter.
Your requested citation....
Republicans not handling election results well - Public Policy Polling
I'll answer like Van does,it's a liberal polling company who skews it liberally. You know the liberal media and that stuff. By the way Bush never put the wars on the books,he always went begging for supplementals,Obama put it on the books. How many of those primarily concerned old folks are willing to give up their "entitlements" to help the country ? None. Their attitude is I got mine so to hell with everyone else. No wonder they are always the ones who get ripped off,they believe anything Don't touch my Medicaid or Social Security. Talk about hypocrites. And where is all this free stuff at ? Give me some of it. By the way miss you Van.
What you don't seem to grasp is Romney already paid income tax on his income, and then invested from what was left over until he got to the point he could live on investments that are taxed at 15%. The same as hundreds of thousands have done, are doing, will do. It's an avenue that's available to every American who invests money, is 100% legal, no slight of hand needed. Sure he has more than most, but he's sharper than most too. Yeah, I know most Americans won't ever have the money he has, but if you have $100k in savings, you could invest in municipal bonds and pay no tax at all. Or $1000 and no taxes. You have an insatiable hatred of the wealthy for some reason. Some may deserve it but if your vitriol is only because they have more than you then how sad you truly are. There is no perfect economic system but under capitalism those who produce tend to do better. There is no bizarro world where everyone lives wonderful lives with all they desire without much effort.
Name the corporate welfare and most likely it's incentives available that allow companies to grow and add employees and produce more in tax revenue. Are there incentives that need to be done away with? Yeah, most likely, such as farm subsidies. By the way most incentives given to the oil industry target wildcatters who explore for new sources of oil. But whether corporations get incentives or not(and incentives are usually tax breaks) saying it's ok to pay out trillions to people in money we have to borrow and pay interest on because the government gives breaks to evil corporations is ludicrous. Do you not get we're broke and getting further underwater by the minute?
And it's not just minorities although that's where you want to put the focus. 99 weeks unemployment, record numbers on food stamps and disability, propping up teachers unions and other public sector unions(so they'll keep getting votes and campaign donations), subsidizing companies that were big campaign donors, the list is endless when you are throwing around hundreds of billions at a time. What he should be doing is making it possible for businesses to succeed without tax and regulatory anchors keeping them from growing and hiring. Putting people to work instead of paying them to sit at home is the surest way to increase tax revenue. But why work if Uncle Osama will send you a check?
MrFedEx
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van, more talking points?
So "supplementals" are completely off the books? He can ask for them but no one has a clue what he did with them? Everything is accounted for, Bush did it by the book and on the book. He spent $4 Trillion in 8 years, and Obama even said so in a 2008 campaign speech. Sorry, saw the speech, accused Bush of risking our kids' future spending so much. And hey, Bush spent a hell of a lot. He wasn't a fiscal conservative. So what now, do we double down and go for broke? And lets's talk Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security. If you want to tax the rich, let's take everyone off those programs who make a certain amount, and reduce access to other higher paid individuals. And start collecting Social Security on all income, or at least a good deal higher than now. If workers help a company succeed, they should be the ones who get Social Security and Medicare, not those who own and/or run the companies. Lord knows the companies are taking away traditional pensions and other benefits. You see, you are talking out of your ass, presuming to know what's in every conservative's heart, spouting the same old liberal ideology. I'm very well aware of how greedy many are. Many Republicans keep spouting off about Social Security going bankrupt but the real problem in their minds is the matching funds they have to pay. If Social Security was strictly coming from employee pay checks you wouldn't hear a peep. But guess what, they aren't the only greedy ones. Way too many want their company or their government to fork over enough that they have a life of ease. Doesn't work that way, never will. If you aren't willing to start your own business, work 16+ hrs a day to make it grow, give others jobs, deal with all the regulations and taxes, etc then be content with what you have. If you aren't willing to work overtime, deal with work no one else wants, go the extra mile, etc then be content with what you have. No one owes you a living and it's your responsibility to make things happen for yourself, not the govt's, not your boss's, but your responsibility.
No sir, a lifetime of experience and observation.
Nope, they are doing Gods work. It's obvious Jesus would have been a republican, they stand for exactly what Jesus taught, to a tee. That everyone is the same.
They have ridiculous suppositions and how could they possibly know what 49% of Republican voters think? And "teabaggers" was first used as a perjorative by such enlightened souls as Janeane Garafalo and Bill Maher. Tea party members were innocent in their use, but of course the liberal haters were quick to jump on it, with glee I might add. And I have no doubt in my mind, call PPP, how you intended it.
