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<blockquote data-quote="tieguy" data-source="post: 134752" data-attributes="member: 1912"><p>1)realistically anyone can get a CDL with a T endorsement if they live in a state that has triples. Are you saying the company required him to have the CDL with a T?</p><p> </p><p>2) In my humble opinion you folks are running off into too many directions with this issue and muddying the waters on this one. </p><p> </p><p>a) Dirtnut was a qualified feeder coverage driver who somewhere along the way allowed himself to drop off the feeder qualified list. The list is required to be maintained and posted like any other seniority list. There are clear cut rules on the posting of the list and how to challenge any innaccuracies on the list. We can throw the seniority word around all we want but there are also things dirt has to do to protect his seniority bidding rights. Monitoring the seniority list and ensuring he continues to be listed if he so wants to is what he should have done. I find it very hard to believe they never needed him as a feeder driver in 10 years. There is a reason he dropped off the list completely and was not used in all that time. </p><p> </p><p>b) When you look at this issue you also have to look at whats fair for the guy that bid the run. He did everything he was supposed to do and should not now be penalized because dirt pops up out of the blue ten years later to try to reclaim his lost seniority position. </p><p> </p><p>There are very few centers that keep seniority lists that far back. The company is not obligated to provide proof for the driver. The union could have requested a payroll history showing dirt was previously paid as a feeder driver if they thought it would help. They apparently did not because that is really not the issue here. They probably did not because they knew the ultimate decision then would be based on the fact dirt was not carried on the feeder qualified list and that position was never challenged prior to this event ten years later. Thus the point I previously made about having your cake and eating it too. </p><p> </p><p>I have seen too many issues over the years where someone did not challenge the accuracy of a seniority list when it first happened and then tried to get it changed five to 10 years down the road. At that point your chances of getting it changed are slim and none.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tieguy, post: 134752, member: 1912"] 1)realistically anyone can get a CDL with a T endorsement if they live in a state that has triples. Are you saying the company required him to have the CDL with a T? 2) In my humble opinion you folks are running off into too many directions with this issue and muddying the waters on this one. a) Dirtnut was a qualified feeder coverage driver who somewhere along the way allowed himself to drop off the feeder qualified list. The list is required to be maintained and posted like any other seniority list. There are clear cut rules on the posting of the list and how to challenge any innaccuracies on the list. We can throw the seniority word around all we want but there are also things dirt has to do to protect his seniority bidding rights. Monitoring the seniority list and ensuring he continues to be listed if he so wants to is what he should have done. I find it very hard to believe they never needed him as a feeder driver in 10 years. There is a reason he dropped off the list completely and was not used in all that time. b) When you look at this issue you also have to look at whats fair for the guy that bid the run. He did everything he was supposed to do and should not now be penalized because dirt pops up out of the blue ten years later to try to reclaim his lost seniority position. There are very few centers that keep seniority lists that far back. The company is not obligated to provide proof for the driver. The union could have requested a payroll history showing dirt was previously paid as a feeder driver if they thought it would help. They apparently did not because that is really not the issue here. They probably did not because they knew the ultimate decision then would be based on the fact dirt was not carried on the feeder qualified list and that position was never challenged prior to this event ten years later. Thus the point I previously made about having your cake and eating it too. I have seen too many issues over the years where someone did not challenge the accuracy of a seniority list when it first happened and then tried to get it changed five to 10 years down the road. At that point your chances of getting it changed are slim and none. [/QUOTE]
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