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Obama: ‘It’s the Post Office That’s Always Having Problems’
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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 599833" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>Its amazing how many of you dont understand how the post office works in the first place. I laugh at those who claim this is a "goverment" run business.</p><p></p><p>You have NO CLUE what youre talking about.</p><p></p><p>The post office is NOT run by the goverment. Its a corporation "overseen" by congress.</p><p></p><p>Its run like a regular private business with a board of directors. Any business decision is made by the board and sent to congress for approval.</p><p></p><p><strong><u><span style="font-size: 12px">FACT:</span></u></strong></p><p>The <u><span style="color: #0066cc">Board of Governors of the United States Postal Service</span></u> sets policy, procedure, and postal rates for services rendered, and has a similar role to a corporate <u><span style="color: #0066cc">board of directors</span></u>. Of the eleven members of the Board, nine are appointed by the <u><span style="color: #0066cc">President</span></u> and confirmed by the <u><span style="color: #0066cc">United States Senate</span></u> (see <u><span style="color: #0066cc">39 U.S.C.</span></u> <u><span style="color: #0066cc">§ 202</span></u>). The nine appointed members then select the <u><span style="color: #0066cc">United States Postmaster General</span></u>, who serves as the board's tenth member, and who oversees the day to day activities of the service as <u><span style="color: #0066cc">Chief Executive Officer</span></u> (see <u><span style="color: #0066cc">39 U.S.C.</span></u> <u><span style="color: #0066cc">§ 202</span></u>–<u><span style="color: #0066cc">203</span></u>). The ten-member board then nominates a Deputy Postmaster General, who acts as <u><span style="color: #0066cc">Chief Operating Officer</span></u>, to the eleventh and last remaining open seat.</p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">The USPS is often mistaken for a government-owned </span></strong><u><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #0066cc"><strong>corporation</strong></span></span></u><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"> (e.g., </span></strong><u><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #0066cc"><strong>Amtrak</strong></span></span></u><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">), but as noted above is legally defined as an "independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States,"</span></strong> (<u><span style="color: #0066cc">39 U.S.C.</span></u> <u><span style="color: #0066cc">§ 201</span></u>) as it is wholly owned by the government and controlled by the Presidential appointees and the Postmaster General. As a <u><span style="color: #0066cc">quasi-governmental agency</span></u>, it has many special privileges, including <u><span style="color: #0066cc">sovereign immunity</span></u>, <u><span style="color: #0066cc">eminent domain</span></u> powers, powers to negotiate <u><span style="color: #0066cc">postal treaties</span></u> with foreign nations, and an exclusive legal right to deliver first-class and third-class mail. Indeed, in 2004, the <u><span style="color: #0066cc">U.S. Supreme Court</span></u> ruled in a unanimous decision that the USPS was not a government-owned corporation, and therefore could not be sued under the <u><span style="color: #0066cc">Sherman Antitrust Act</span></u>. The U.S. Supreme Court has also upheld the USPS's statutory monopoly on access to letterboxes against a <u><span style="color: #0066cc">First Amendment</span></u> <u><span style="color: #0066cc">freedom of speech</span></u> challenge; it thus remains illegal in the U.S. for <em>anyone</em> other than the employees and agents of the USPS to deliver mailpieces to letterboxes marked "U.S. Mail."</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-size: 18px">The president is CORRECT to compare the post office to UPS and FEDEX. </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-size: 18px">The fact remains that "technology" is killing the post office and not goverment oversight. Online billing and online paying is growing at a rate faster than the post office can compensate for.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-size: 18px">The loss of first class revenue each year grows larger and larger as online information gathers steam and households make the switch every month.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-size: 18px">This year alone, the post office is expected to lose approx. 9 billion dollars, and thats down from the original estimate of 16 billion in January. Because of cost cutting and debt elimination, that estimate has been lowered to 9 billion.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-size: 18px">The problem cant be solved. The US mail is becoming an obsolete dinosaur in todays business world. There is a magic number the post office has to look out for.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-size: 18px">The .60 cent stamp. Congress believes that if the cost of a US stamp reaches the .60 cent mark, then that would be the end of the post office as we know it.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-size: 18px">Volume, is the key for the post office to survive. Cheap prices for parcels is what the "board of directors" of the post office are trying to do to fix the revenue problem If they can steal enough parcel volume, then they can make up some lost revenue. If they try to compete with the same pricing as UPS and FEDEX then they will be out of business in a matter of 2 years.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-size: 18px">Anyone who makes a claim that the post office is run by the goverment is Un-informed. It is a private business entity of the united states.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-size: 18px">The comparision by the president was simply to demonstrate that private companies can compete with a quazi goverment operated business.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-size: 18px">Both UPS and FEDEX charge rates way higher than the post office, and customers make the decision to pay those charges for SERVICE, despite maybe saving some money with the postal service.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-size: 18px">It doesnt hurt UPS or FEDEX and they both continue to be viable businesses.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-size: 18px">So the president is right on the mark.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Narrow'"><span style="font-size: 18px">Those on the right, are just marked for ignorance.</span></span></p><p></p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 599833, member: 17969"] Its amazing how many of you dont understand how the post office works in the first place. I laugh at those who claim this is a "goverment" run business. You have NO CLUE what youre talking about. The post office is NOT run by the goverment. Its a corporation "overseen" by congress. Its run like a regular private business with a board of directors. Any business decision is made by the board and sent to congress for approval. [B][U][SIZE=3]FACT:[/SIZE][/U][/B] The [U][COLOR=#0066cc]Board of Governors of the United States Postal Service[/COLOR][/U] sets policy, procedure, and postal rates for services rendered, and has a similar role to a corporate [U][COLOR=#0066cc]board of directors[/COLOR][/U]. Of the eleven members of the Board, nine are appointed by the [U][COLOR=#0066cc]President[/COLOR][/U] and confirmed by the [U][COLOR=#0066cc]United States Senate[/COLOR][/U] (see [U][COLOR=#0066cc]39 U.S.C.[/COLOR][/U] [U][COLOR=#0066cc]§ 202[/COLOR][/U]). The nine appointed members then select the [U][COLOR=#0066cc]United States Postmaster General[/COLOR][/U], who serves as the board's tenth member, and who oversees the day to day activities of the service as [U][COLOR=#0066cc]Chief Executive Officer[/COLOR][/U] (see [U][COLOR=#0066cc]39 U.S.C.[/COLOR][/U] [U][COLOR=#0066cc]§ 202[/COLOR][/U]–[U][COLOR=#0066cc]203[/COLOR][/U]). The ten-member board then nominates a Deputy Postmaster General, who acts as [U][COLOR=#0066cc]Chief Operating Officer[/COLOR][/U], to the eleventh and last remaining open seat. [B][SIZE=3]The USPS is often mistaken for a government-owned [/SIZE][/B][U][SIZE=3][COLOR=#0066cc][B]corporation[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/U][B][SIZE=3] (e.g., [/SIZE][/B][U][SIZE=3][COLOR=#0066cc][B]Amtrak[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/U][B][SIZE=3]), but as noted above is legally defined as an "independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States,"[/SIZE][/B] ([U][COLOR=#0066cc]39 U.S.C.[/COLOR][/U] [U][COLOR=#0066cc]§ 201[/COLOR][/U]) as it is wholly owned by the government and controlled by the Presidential appointees and the Postmaster General. As a [U][COLOR=#0066cc]quasi-governmental agency[/COLOR][/U], it has many special privileges, including [U][COLOR=#0066cc]sovereign immunity[/COLOR][/U], [U][COLOR=#0066cc]eminent domain[/COLOR][/U] powers, powers to negotiate [U][COLOR=#0066cc]postal treaties[/COLOR][/U] with foreign nations, and an exclusive legal right to deliver first-class and third-class mail. Indeed, in 2004, the [U][COLOR=#0066cc]U.S. Supreme Court[/COLOR][/U] ruled in a unanimous decision that the USPS was not a government-owned corporation, and therefore could not be sued under the [U][COLOR=#0066cc]Sherman Antitrust Act[/COLOR][/U]. The U.S. Supreme Court has also upheld the USPS's statutory monopoly on access to letterboxes against a [U][COLOR=#0066cc]First Amendment[/COLOR][/U] [U][COLOR=#0066cc]freedom of speech[/COLOR][/U] challenge; it thus remains illegal in the U.S. for [I]anyone[/I] other than the employees and agents of the USPS to deliver mailpieces to letterboxes marked "U.S. Mail." [FONT=Arial Narrow][SIZE=5]The president is CORRECT to compare the post office to UPS and FEDEX. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow][SIZE=5]The fact remains that "technology" is killing the post office and not goverment oversight. Online billing and online paying is growing at a rate faster than the post office can compensate for.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow][SIZE=5]The loss of first class revenue each year grows larger and larger as online information gathers steam and households make the switch every month.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow][SIZE=5]This year alone, the post office is expected to lose approx. 9 billion dollars, and thats down from the original estimate of 16 billion in January. Because of cost cutting and debt elimination, that estimate has been lowered to 9 billion.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow][SIZE=5]The problem cant be solved. The US mail is becoming an obsolete dinosaur in todays business world. There is a magic number the post office has to look out for.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow][SIZE=5]The .60 cent stamp. Congress believes that if the cost of a US stamp reaches the .60 cent mark, then that would be the end of the post office as we know it.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow][SIZE=5]Volume, is the key for the post office to survive. Cheap prices for parcels is what the "board of directors" of the post office are trying to do to fix the revenue problem If they can steal enough parcel volume, then they can make up some lost revenue. If they try to compete with the same pricing as UPS and FEDEX then they will be out of business in a matter of 2 years.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow][SIZE=5]Anyone who makes a claim that the post office is run by the goverment is Un-informed. It is a private business entity of the united states.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow][SIZE=5]The comparision by the president was simply to demonstrate that private companies can compete with a quazi goverment operated business.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow][SIZE=5]Both UPS and FEDEX charge rates way higher than the post office, and customers make the decision to pay those charges for SERVICE, despite maybe saving some money with the postal service.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow][SIZE=5]It doesnt hurt UPS or FEDEX and they both continue to be viable businesses.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow][SIZE=5]So the president is right on the mark.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Narrow][SIZE=5]Those on the right, are just marked for ignorance.[/SIZE][/FONT] :peaceful: [/QUOTE]
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