Obama care

vantexan

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Oh yeah, why is that girl that got shot by the Taliban getting treatment in England by the NHS (National Healthcare System) ?

Maybe because it's half the price and just as effecient ?

She was moved out of Pakistan for her safety. The Taliban tried to murder her and stated they would continue to try.
 

vantexan

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Where to start ? No Romney will not win,Obama will win in a landslide, I do not believe in polls. A sampling of a thousand people can not determine the outcome of 131.3 million people who voted in 2008 if more people paid attention they would see how ridiculous that sounds. He has not forced religious institutions to violate their conscience because if they had a conscience they would not accept Federal money from a government that condones abortion,do you see the hypocrisy ? Those are the ones who are being asked to follow the law,the ones who take the money. Conscience a problem then don't take the money. Problem solved. See that was easy. The unmonitored guns happened on Bush's watch.The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ran a series of "gunwalking" sting operations[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP] between 2006 and 2011. Hmmm who was President in 2006 ? Oh that's right Bush. So Republicans get amnesia again like the last 8 years did not happen.
Less than three weeks ahead of the presidential election, Republicans are using the cables to attack President Obama on his foreign policy, despite the State Department's claim that it was solely responsible for the decisions to deny Stevens' requests for more security in Libya. So exploit a tragedy for politics ? Republican 101 no morals,no scruple's no shame. I have no idea how long you have been at Fedex,but I have been there long enough to remember when we were on par with UPS. Fedex decided to make an entire new company to service Ground packages that's their decision but even if they would have given us the Ground packages,guess what ? We still would make the same. When people say wages are
competitive it means they are not. It's their way of saving face. So I helped build this company to where it is today and I expect to get paid that way. Selfish yes but since when is Fedex not as selfish. 80% raise for the C something O. Puhlease.

You are deluded. I started with FedEx in '86. There are a number of payscales, maybe the highest payscale was on par at one time but I assure you the lower payscales never were. Obama in a landslide?:rofl:
 

Lordtekk

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Are you a guy or a woman? Please, not being disrespectful, please dont take it like that but you sound and write with emotion. You sound like a woman to me....I openly admit being, Hispanic, Female,Catholic, over 50 and middleclass. Also, not very many men call eachother dude on the internet.
You know that how ? Was there an internet survey ? Was there a scientific study done as to how one addresses other people on the net. I can always say that you must be Cuban because Cubans are the only hispanic people that the majority vote Republican. But I digress It does not matter to me. When people get their information from one source,do not take the time to actually do the research,then quote verbatim the RNC talking Points, along with Fox News whose viewers are the least informed of any demographic ( Look It Up ) then cry Liberal bias I am offended. Crybabies who can not handle a black man as President,racist innuendo,disrespect for the Presidency and what are the responses " You Guys Spoke Bad About Bush " really is that what it's come to ? High School mentality ? This country is the most prosperous in the world but only a few have prospered while the others have been screwed. Happens here a crybaby doesn't like to be called dude and the rep points are gone as if I cared. This is what happens when politics are injected into a conversation it never ends well.
 

Lordtekk

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You are deluded. I started with FedEx in '86. There are a number of payscales, maybe the highest payscale was on par at one time but I assure you the lower payscales never were. Obama in a landslide?:rofl:
Only a couple of weeks left then we will see.:woohoo: Then my turn to laugh and gloat,but I won't I have class. I started in 88 in NYC and that's the way it was then. So you were there for the 5 years we never got a raise, and I am not deluded,why do you always go to insults ? You don't even warm up dude straight to them
 

Goldilocks

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You know that how ? Was there an internet survey ? Was there a scientific study done as to how one addresses other people on the net. I can always say that you must be Cuban because Cubans are the only hispanic people that the majority vote Republican. But I digress It does not matter to me. When people get their information from one source,do not take the time to actually do the research,then quote verbatim the RNC talking Points, along with Fox News whose viewers are the least informed of any demographic ( Look It Up ) then cry Liberal bias I am offended. Crybabies who can not handle a black man as President,racist innuendo,disrespect for the Presidency and what are the responses " You Guys Spoke Bad About Bush " really is that what it's come to ? High School mentality ? This country is the most prosperous in the world but only a few have prospered while the others have been screwed. Happens here a crybaby doesn't like to be called dude and the rep points are gone as if I cared. This is what happens when politics are injected into a conversation it never ends well.

I told you not to take it personal. But women just know eachother and we can tell. BTW, not Cubana, pero, Puerto Rican....
 

Chumpy

Active Member
A landslide? Yes,a landslide LOSS! I cannot stand and do not believe polls. You're right,Lordtekk! How can 1000 people determine who wins or not? By the way,the murder of Ambassador Stevens and 4 other Americans would have been used by the democrats had a republican been in office...Democrat 101,no morals,no scruples,no shame! Dear leader was out yucking it up with David letterman and in Las Vegas for a campaign fundraiser after Mr Stevens murder by TERRORISTS!! Why doesn't the man stay in Washington and do his job??????????
 

vantexan

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You know that how ? Was there an internet survey ? Was there a scientific study done as to how one addresses other people on the net. I can always say that you must be Cuban because Cubans are the only hispanic people that the majority vote Republican. But I digress It does not matter to me. When people get their information from one source,do not take the time to actually do the research,then quote verbatim the RNC talking Points, along with Fox News whose viewers are the least informed of any demographic ( Look It Up ) then cry Liberal bias I am offended. Crybabies who can not handle a black man as President,racist innuendo,disrespect for the Presidency and what are the responses " You Guys Spoke Bad About Bush " really is that what it's come to ? High School mentality ? This country is the most prosperous in the world but only a few have prospered while the others have been screwed. Happens here a crybaby doesn't like to be called dude and the rep points are gone as if I cared. This is what happens when politics are injected into a conversation it never ends well.

Good lord man, what is it with you and racism? We are against Obama's policies, period. And Cubans got a firsthand look at what Socialism can devolve into. No wonder they vote Republican! Amazing to me how the same people who freak out over criticism of Obama used every four letter word possible talking about Bush for 8 years. And then some! And only a few have prospered? Really? If you are middle class in this country you are doing so much better than billions in the world. What people are upset about is being pushed out of the middle class. Obama's answer? Tax, tax, and tax some more.
 

vantexan

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Only a couple of weeks left then we will see.:woohoo: Then my turn to laugh and gloat,but I won't I have class. I started in 88 in NYC and that's the way it was then. So you were there for the 5 years we never got a raise, and I am not deluded,why do you always go to insults ? You don't even warm up dude straight to them

You talk about evil Republicans with no morals and then get upset because I called you deluded? Just like the post that started all this. BBSam made a vicious attack on Goldilocks and myself and all you focused on was "racism". Very selective on your part.
 

Lordtekk

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Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. Bush Administration had a much smaller, carefully coordinated with the Mexican gov't gun walking program. Designed to see how guns were moving from the States to the cartels. Obama admin dumped thousands of guns and didn't coordinate with the Mexicans. Resulted in several hundred Mexican citizens being murdered as well as a couple of Americans. And you can obfuscate all you want, the Obama admin tried to shift blame for the Libya attack on a spontaneous demonstration that got out of hand. There were a number of smaller attacks, then the major one with rockets, AK-47's and grenades. Numerous requests for security personnel were made in the months leading up to this and they were told to make do. And the attack came on 9/11. Get it?
No he did not where are you getting this info ? My goodness do you guys ever admit to anything ?The administration did no such thing Fox News and the Republicans said that but yet have no evidence of it,what a surprise in the meantime the idiot Issa releases documnts with the Libyans who side with the U.S. talk about stupid. When you have evidence that something wrong was done talk to me till then this is the Republicans looking for an October surprise and you know what it aint sticking. Romney on a podium with a smirk on his face because of a tragedy and he was so happy it happened, what a moran ( Tea Party Spelling ). So show me the evidence,something that can back up anything you claim besides what is reported on Faux News,Drugbo,and the Racist Drudge means nothing to people who are actually informed.
 

vantexan

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It took 8 years to create this mess do you think it can be fixed in 4 years with a hostile Congress ? "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." Quote Mitch McConnell minority leader of the Senate. Yeah things are going to get done. Please spare me with the talking points. They have been trying to sabotage this Presidency since day one. Politics before Country is the Republican motto these days.

Obama had a super majority in both houses the first two years until Scott Brown got elected in the special election to replace Kennedy. What did they focus on? Obamacare, not jobs.
 

Lordtekk

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You talk about evil Republicans with no morals and then get upset because I called you deluded? Just like the post that started all this. BBSam made a vicious attack on Goldilocks and myself and all you focused on was "racism". Very selective on your part.
Tell me about a Republican with morals ? Who quote Jesus Christ,want religion in the schools but do not even follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. When did Jesus Christ say let them all die ? They wrap themselves in this religious facade for votes,because if worshipping Satan would win them an election guess who would be sacrificing virgins at the altar. It always amazes me that people fall for that. Keep the government out of our lives but hey put the government in women's wombs. As far as BB I did not agree with his attack,but you sure know how to bring it dude and you are more than happy to join in. Try the high road once in awhile,I respect you and I also respect your opinions though we pretty much disagree on everything I still like you. You are not a crybaby,you take it as good as you give it. That doesn't sound right. You know what I mean.
 

vantexan

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No he did not where are you getting this info ? My goodness do you guys ever admit to anything ?The administration did no such thing Fox News and the Republicans said that but yet have no evidence of it,what a surprise in the meantime the idiot Issa releases documnts with the Libyans who side with the U.S. talk about stupid. When you have evidence that something wrong was done talk to me till then this is the Republicans looking for an October surprise and you know what it aint sticking. Romney on a podium with a smirk on his face because of a tragedy and he was so happy it happened, what a moran ( Tea Party Spelling ). So show me the evidence,something that can back up anything you claim besides what is reported on Faux News,Drugbo,and the Racist Drudge means nothing to people who are actually informed.

Just because you say no doesn't make it so. All of this has come out in Congressional hearings. Eric Holder has claimed Executive Privilege rather than turn over thousands of documents requested by Issa. What are they hiding? And the above about Libya was stated in sworn testimony by the security service dismissed by the State Dept as well as military attachés attached to that embassy. You talk about Romney's smirk but if my ambassador was just assassinated I wouldn't be attending a fundraiser in Las Vegas. By the way, no comment about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? You went on and on about it before. Could it be you just don't have any facts beyond what Larry and Rachel feed you on MSNBC?
 

Lordtekk

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Obama had a super majority in both houses the first two years until Scott Brown got elected in the special election to replace Kennedy. What did they focus on? Obamacare, not jobs.
The thing that his critics miss is that President Obama’s administration has to plan their strategy on what is achievable during a particular time frame given the circumstances of the moment. Having a filibuster proof Senate majority was only possible under a specific set of circumstances. They began in April of 2009 when Senator Arlen Specter decided to switch from a Republican to a Democrat.
Former Senator Arlen Specter (D-PA)
Specter, a long time moderate, said that he was switching back to the Democratic party because of concerns over the direction of the Republican party but conventional speculation is that he was losing in the polls for the Republican Primary to Pat Toomeyfor not being conservative enough. Specter wound up losing the Democratic primary anyway to Joe Sestak in 2011. But for a while, Specter was the 59th Democratic Senator.
The 60th Senator, Al Franken of Minnesota, was locked up for months in recounts and legal challenges from a very close race with incumbent Norm Coleman. Finally, on July 8, 2009 after eight months of delays, Franken was sworn in as the 60th Democratic Senator (this includes the two independents who caucused with the Democrats). This was the first time Democrats had a filibuster proof majority since 1958.
But six weeks later on August 25, 2009, Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy passed away. Technically, it could be argued that the Democrats still had a filibuster proof majority since cloture involves 3/5 of sitting Senators (59 out of 99 is roughly 3/5). But the Senate was in summer recess at the time so it may not have mattered.
One month later on September 25, 2009 Paul Kirk was appointed to fill Kennedy’s vacancy while the special election was going on. Even then this was only because Kennedy himself had requested that the Governor of Massachusetts change the law a week before he died to allow an appointment so the seat wouldn’t be vacant for the remainder of the year. Had he not done so it could’ve been argued that the 60 seat Democratic supermajority would have lasted about six weeks.
In November of 2009 Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley, in a poorly run campaign, lost Ted Kennedy’s seat to Republican Scott Brown effectively ensuring the end of the filibuster proof Senate.
On Christmas Eve of 2009, the Senate voted to move forward with the Health Care Reform bill by 60 to 39 votes. As Vice-President Biden noted, it was a big deal.
On February 4, 2010 Scott Brown was sworn in signaling the end of the super-majority.

Wrong he had it for 6 weeks not even close,swing and a miss. Anything else ?
 

vantexan

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Tell me about a Republican with morals ? Who quote Jesus Christ,want religion in the schools but do not even follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. When did Jesus Christ say let them all die ? They wrap themselves in this religious facade for votes,because if worshipping Satan would win them an election guess who would be sacrificing virgins at the altar. It always amazes me that people fall for that. Keep the government out of our lives but hey put the government in women's wombs. As far as BB I did not agree with his attack,but you sure know how to bring it dude and you are more than happy to join in. Try the high road once in awhile,I respect you and I also respect your opinions though we pretty much disagree on everything I still like you. You are not a crybaby,you take it as good as you give it. That doesn't sound right. You know what I mean.

Who says let them all die? People have always had access to emergency rooms, etc. And taxpayers usually foot the bill for the very poor. And I wasn't attacking anyone, just got attacked. Just because I'm familiar with what's really going on doesn't mean I'm attacking you. I just state the facts, something quite a few here seem to have trouble with.
 

Lordtekk

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Just because you say no doesn't make it so. All of this has come out in Congressional hearings. Eric Holder has claimed Executive Privilege rather than turn over thousands of documents requested by Issa. What are they hiding? And the above about Libya was stated in sworn testimony by the security service dismissed by the State Dept as well as military attachés attached to that embassy. You talk about Romney's smirk but if my ambassador was just assassinated I wouldn't be attending a fundraiser in Las Vegas. By the way, no comment about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? You went on and on about it before. Could it be you just don't have any facts beyond what Larry and Rachel feed you on MSNBC?
Actually I don't watch any of the shows,to partisan for my tastes. I read the blogs from the left and right then draw my own conclusion.
 

vantexan

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The thing that his critics miss is that President Obama’s administration has to plan their strategy on what is achievable during a particular time frame given the circumstances of the moment. Having a filibuster proof Senate majority was only possible under a specific set of circumstances. They began in April of 2009 when Senator Arlen Specter decided to switch from a Republican to a Democrat.
Former Senator Arlen Specter (D-PA)
Specter, a long time moderate, said that he was switching back to the Democratic party because of concerns over the direction of the Republican party but conventional speculation is that he was losing in the polls for the Republican Primary to Pat Toomeyfor not being conservative enough. Specter wound up losing the Democratic primary anyway to Joe Sestak in 2011. But for a while, Specter was the 59th Democratic Senator.
The 60th Senator, Al Franken of Minnesota, was locked up for months in recounts and legal challenges from a very close race with incumbent Norm Coleman. Finally, on July 8, 2009 after eight months of delays, Franken was sworn in as the 60th Democratic Senator (this includes the two independents who caucused with the Democrats). This was the first time Democrats had a filibuster proof majority since 1958.
But six weeks later on August 25, 2009, Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy passed away. Technically, it could be argued that the Democrats still had a filibuster proof majority since cloture involves 3/5 of sitting Senators (59 out of 99 is roughly 3/5). But the Senate was in summer recess at the time so it may not have mattered.
One month later on September 25, 2009 Paul Kirk was appointed to fill Kennedy’s vacancy while the special election was going on. Even then this was only because Kennedy himself had requested that the Governor of Massachusetts change the law a week before he died to allow an appointment so the seat wouldn’t be vacant for the remainder of the year. Had he not done so it could’ve been argued that the 60 seat Democratic supermajority would have lasted about six weeks.
In November of 2009 Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley, in a poorly run campaign, lost Ted Kennedy’s seat to Republican Scott Brown effectively ensuring the end of the filibuster proof Senate.
On Christmas Eve of 2009, the Senate voted to move forward with the Health Care Reform bill by 60 to 39 votes. As Vice-President Biden noted, it was a big deal.
On February 4, 2010 Scott Brown was sworn in signaling the end of the super-majority.

Wrong he had it for 6 weeks not even close,swing and a miss. Anything else ?

Baloney, because they clearly had a super majority in the House of Reps and Harry Reid could invoke cloture. They certainly got Obamacare pushed through no problem inspite of total Republican opposition to it.
 

Lordtekk

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Who says let them all die? People have always had access to emergency rooms, etc. And taxpayers usually foot the bill for the very poor. And I wasn't attacking anyone, just got attacked. Just because I'm familiar with what's really going on doesn't mean I'm attacking you. I just state the facts, something quite a few here seem to have trouble with.
So if I have a cold I go to an emergency room ? I stub my toe,emergency room ? Ear Ache,emergency room ? Headache,emergency room ? Really ? That's the solution ? And why should I pay taxes for people who can go to a Doctor. Have you seen the prices of an emergency room ? It's enough to pay insurance for the person who went there for a year. Reminds of the homeless program in NYC,they will pay 3,000 a month for a ratty hotel room for a homeless family,but will only pay 500 bucks a month if they find an apartment. Makes sense ? No it doesn't but they still do it. Same thing with the emergency room scenario,on top of the wait. Oh and if they come in with something that needs major surgery,well you are out of luck because out on the street you go. And it happens regardless of the law,if everyone actually followed the law why would we have Police ?
 

Lordtekk

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Baloney, because they clearly had a super majority in the House of Reps and Harry Reid could invoke cloture. They certainly got Obamacare pushed through no problem inspite of total Republican opposition to it.
Read the next to last sentence,I just state the facts like someone else on this board. You can't refute the facts. So the 2 year myth has been discredited. Your Welcome.
 

Goldilocks

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People need to learn to pull themselves up from their bootstraps and do it for themselves. There are jobs out there but no one whats to do that kind of work. They would rather be mooching off the government for handouts...And yes, in my culture their are lots of those who want want and want more from the government but yet never ever want PR to become a state. Why, because they get FREE handouts and pay no taxes.....Very dissapointing....Have you ever been to PR during an election? They hate America because we want them to become a state. Is that what kind of mentality you want for the United States?
 

vantexan

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Read the next to last sentence,I just state the facts like someone else on this board. You can't refute the facts. So the 2 year myth has been discredited. Your Welcome.

Except Henry Reid can invoke cloture, the "nuclear option" at any time. Simple majority of one.
 
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