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<blockquote data-quote="Slothrop" data-source="post: 159321" data-attributes="member: 4707"><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Toonertoo,</strong> </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The fish in Lake Erie are not as abundant as they were 20 years ago, and though they are healthier than they were in the late 70’s, they are by no means considered ‘healthy’. In fact the recommended serving of Lake Erie perch or walleye is one serving per month. This information is from the State of Ohio.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I never said that the present tax code was fair, or even good. I did say that there are problems with the so called ‘Fair Tax’. Linking to some strange weightlifter’s site didn’t convince me otherwise. The wealthy will circumvent the ‘Fair Tax’ easier than they circumvent the tax code we have now, and good luck repealing the 16th amendment.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Tonyexpress,</strong> </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Did you read or listen to Webb’s response or are you taking Ms. Parkers word for what he said? He addressed the economy in five paragraphs:</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>When one looks at the health of our economy, it's almost as if we are living in two different countries. Some say that things have never been better. The stock market is at an all-time high, and so are corporate profits. But these benefits are not being fairly shared. When I graduated from college, the average corporate CEO made 20 times what the average worker did; today, it's nearly 400 times. In other words, it takes the average worker more than a year to make the money that his or her boss makes in one day.</em></span></span></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Wages and salaries for our workers are at all-time lows as a percentage of national wealth, even though the productivity of American workers is the highest in the world. Medical costs have skyrocketed. College tuition rates are off the charts. Our manufacturing base is being dismantled and sent overseas. Good American jobs are being sent along with them. </span></span></em></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">In short, the middle class of this country, our historic backbone and our best hope for a strong society in the future, is losing its place at the table. Our workers know this, through painful experience. Our white-collar professionals are beginning to understand it, as their jobs start disappearing also. And they expect, rightly, that in this age of globalization, their government has a duty to insist that their concerns be dealt with fairly in the international marketplace</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">In the early days of our republic, President Andrew Jackson established an important principle of American-style democracy &shy; that we should measure the health of our society not at its apex, but at its base. Not with the numbers that come out of Wall Street, but with the living conditions that exist on Main Street. We must recapture that spirit today.</span></span></em></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">And under the leadership of the new Democratic Congress, we are on our way to doing so. The House just passed a minimum wage increase, the first in ten years, and the Senate will soon follow. We've introduced a broad legislative package designed to regain the trust of the American people. We've established a tone of cooperation and consensus that extends beyond party lines. We're working to get the right things done, for the right people and for the right reasons.</span></span></em></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Where do you find fault in those words? Do you think Wall Street compensation is typical for the American worker? I’ll be glad to debate his points with you, but I doubt you’ll take up my offer.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>Big_arrow_up,</strong></span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Gore most certainly did win in 2000. Much has been written on this. History will show the current Junta to be illegitimate.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I agree that we don’t ever need another Clinton in the White house, but we sure don’t ever need another Bush either. One was enough in both cases.</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Slothrop, post: 159321, member: 4707"] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][B]Toonertoo,[/B] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]The fish in Lake Erie are not as abundant as they were 20 years ago, and though they are healthier than they were in the late 70’s, they are by no means considered ‘healthy’. In fact the recommended serving of Lake Erie perch or walleye is one serving per month. This information is from the State of Ohio.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]I never said that the present tax code was fair, or even good. I did say that there are problems with the so called ‘Fair Tax’. Linking to some strange weightlifter’s site didn’t convince me otherwise. The wealthy will circumvent the ‘Fair Tax’ easier than they circumvent the tax code we have now, and good luck repealing the 16th amendment.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][B]Tonyexpress,[/B] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Did you read or listen to Webb’s response or are you taking Ms. Parkers word for what he said? He addressed the economy in five paragraphs:[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][I]When one looks at the health of our economy, it's almost as if we are living in two different countries. Some say that things have never been better. The stock market is at an all-time high, and so are corporate profits. But these benefits are not being fairly shared. When I graduated from college, the average corporate CEO made 20 times what the average worker did; today, it's nearly 400 times. In other words, it takes the average worker more than a year to make the money that his or her boss makes in one day.[/I][/SIZE][/FONT] [I][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Wages and salaries for our workers are at all-time lows as a percentage of national wealth, even though the productivity of American workers is the highest in the world. Medical costs have skyrocketed. College tuition rates are off the charts. Our manufacturing base is being dismantled and sent overseas. Good American jobs are being sent along with them. [/SIZE][/FONT][/I] [I][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]In short, the middle class of this country, our historic backbone and our best hope for a strong society in the future, is losing its place at the table. Our workers know this, through painful experience. Our white-collar professionals are beginning to understand it, as their jobs start disappearing also. And they expect, rightly, that in this age of globalization, their government has a duty to insist that their concerns be dealt with fairly in the international marketplace[/SIZE][/FONT][/I] [I][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3].[/SIZE][/FONT][/I] [I][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]In the early days of our republic, President Andrew Jackson established an important principle of American-style democracy ­ that we should measure the health of our society not at its apex, but at its base. Not with the numbers that come out of Wall Street, but with the living conditions that exist on Main Street. We must recapture that spirit today.[/SIZE][/FONT][/I] [I][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]And under the leadership of the new Democratic Congress, we are on our way to doing so. The House just passed a minimum wage increase, the first in ten years, and the Senate will soon follow. We've introduced a broad legislative package designed to regain the trust of the American people. We've established a tone of cooperation and consensus that extends beyond party lines. We're working to get the right things done, for the right people and for the right reasons.[/SIZE][/FONT][/I] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Where do you find fault in those words? Do you think Wall Street compensation is typical for the American worker? I’ll be glad to debate his points with you, but I doubt you’ll take up my offer.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][B]Big_arrow_up,[/B][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Gore most certainly did win in 2000. Much has been written on this. History will show the current Junta to be illegitimate.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]I agree that we don’t ever need another Clinton in the White house, but we sure don’t ever need another Bush either. One was enough in both cases.[/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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