Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Lue C Fur, Apr 15, 2010.

  1. Lue C Fur

    Lue C Fur Evil member

    Oops, we did that? More health care surprises

    The partisans on the left who preach with certainty about the effects of the new health care law -- it will reduce the federal deficit; it will allow you to keep your current coverage; it will lower premiums -- speak from ignorance. No one really knows what the bill will do, including the members of Congress who voted for it.

    A new Congressional Research Service study has found that the law appears to boot members of Congress and their staffers off the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program before the alternative insurance options created by the law will be ready.

    In a story headlined: "Baffled by health plan? So are some lawmakers," a national news organization on Monday reported the discrepancy and wrote, "The confusion raises the inevitable question: If they did not know exactly what they were doing to themselves, did lawmakers who wrote and passed the bill fully grasp the details of how it would influence the lives of other Americans?"

    To those readers who might think the above quotes were pulled from Fox News, we quote the Russian ambassador, speaking to the President in "Dr. Strangelove": "Our source was The New York Times."

    The Times reported that even the staff members of the people who voted to pass this bill will likely lose their coverage. Except, the Times notes, staff in the leadership and committee offices in Congress. The law appears to exempt some people employed by Congress' most powerful members.

    This comes after the news that the law did not extend insurance coverage to "children" as old as 26, as intended, and would be highly unlikely to reduce insurance premiums or health care costs (also reported in The New York Times after the bill passed).

    We are only beginning to discover what this bill will actually do versus what its advocates claimed it would do. The more that comes out, the clearer it is that rushing such a colossal piece of legislation into law was a huge mistake.
  2. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    Yes, we need to pass the bill to find out what's in the bill.....Nancy Pelosi
  3. Lue C Fur

    Lue C Fur Evil member

    My eyes...my eyes...im Blind!!!

    Hey Moreluck...please warn me when you are going to post a pic like that!!!!:bloodshot:
  4. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

    So they will have to re-open the bill again to fix it, again.

    Sounds like a bad broken record, but historical.
  5. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    100 Years of Medical Fascism
  6. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

  7. Lue C Fur

    Lue C Fur Evil member

  8. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

    Via GWP:

    This really is criminal– Now that Obamacare has been rammed into law we get to see just how much we were lied to by the radical left and the state-run media.

    The federal government released a new report on the cost of Obamacare and the results are troubling.

    The report comes from actuaries from Medicare and Medicaid. Medical costs will skyrocket rising $389 billion 10 years.

    14 million will lose employer-based coverage.

    Millions will be left without insurance.

    And millions more will be may be dumped into the already overwhelmed Medicaid system.

    4 million American families will be hit with tax penalties under this new law.

    Of course, these were ALL things that democrats and President Obama assured us would not happen.
  9. Lue C Fur

    Lue C Fur Evil member

    And suprisingly some people believed what the govt, the Messiah, and the MSM spewed. So again...has anyone seen a govt program that actually cost what they said it would?
  10. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    None of them read it, so how would they know.......idiots !!
  11. scratch

    scratch Least Best Moderator Staff Member

  12. Lue C Fur

    Lue C Fur Evil member

  13. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

    Sign Of Times Under ObamaCare: 'The Doctor Is Out Permanently'
    Written by CA Political News on April 24, 2010, 01:30 PM

    By SALLY C. PIPES, Investors Business Daily, 4/23/10
    America's primary care system is already under stress. Low reimbursement rates, bureaucratic paperwork and long hours are driving family physicians out of medicine and pushing new doctors into specialized practices. Half a century ago, one in two doctors practiced general medicine. Today, 7 in 10 specialize.

    And the gap is growing. A mere 1 in 12 medical-school graduates now head to family medicine. In 2009, the American Academy of Family Physicians warned that we'd be short 40,000 family doctors in a decade, if present trends continued. Today, medical schools produce one primary care doctor for every two who are needed.

    ObamaCare will add strain to an already burdened system. The new bill seeks to increase the load on family doctors while holding the line on costs by putting price controls on government insurance plans. In due course, price controls on private plans will be inevitable.
    The combination of increased coverage and emphasis on primary care, experts say, will increase demand for primary care docs by as much as 29%, or 44,000 doctors, over the next 15 years.

    But just as demand is increasing, doctors are making plans to exit. A 2009 survey by medical recruiters Merritt Hawkins found that 10% of respondents were planning to leave medicine within three years.

    Another poll of physicians conducted in 2009 by Investor's Business Daily found that 45% of doctors would consider early retirement if ObamaCare passed.

    Even more worryingly, the next generation of doctors may be even smaller than the current one. The same IBD study found that two-thirds of practicing physicians believed that fewer students would apply to medical school if Obama's health care plan passed.

    One clinic in Western Massachusetts has a waiting list of 1,600 patients.
  14. Lue C Fur

    Lue C Fur Evil member

    Good article Baba...IBD is a great newspaper. I used to have a subscription but in these tuff times i had to cut back.

    I was talking with my family doctor a few weeks ago and he was telling me how overworked he is. He averages 60hrs a week and the office cant find any new family doctors. He said the same thing also that more graduates are going into special fields instead and there is going to be a huge shortage in the future because there already is one now. He also said if he had to do it over again he would have went into a speciality. I think there is no doubt that our healthcare is going to get worse now especially since Obamacare passed.
  15. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

    Costly IRS Mandate Slipped into Health Bill

    Posted by Chris Edwards
    Most people know about the individual mandate in the new health care bill, but the bill contained another mandate that could be far more costly.
    A few wording changes to the tax code’s section 6041 regarding 1099 reporting were slipped into the 2000-page health legislation. The changes will force millions of businesses to issue hundreds of millions, perhaps billions, of additional IRS Form 1099s every year. It appears to be a costly, anti-business nightmare.
    Under current law, businesses are required to issue 1099s in a limited set of situations, such as when paying outside consultants. The health care bill includes a vast expansion in this information reporting requirement in an attempt to raise revenue for an increasingly rapacious Congress.
    The House bill would extend the Form 1099 filing requirement to ALL vendors (including corporate) to which they pay more than $600 annually for services or property. Consider all the payments a small business makes in the course of business, paying for things such as computers, software, office supplies, and fuel to services, including janitorial services, coffee services, and package delivery services.
    In order to file all these 1099s, you’ll need to collect the necessary information from all your service providers. In order to comply with the law, you would have to get a Taxpayer Information Number or TIN from the business. If the vendor does not supply you with a TIN, you are obligated to withhold on your payments.
    The struggling American economy can’t afford anymore suffocating tax regulations. This mandate is a giant deadweight loss. It should be repealed.
  16. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    Costs went up and Walmart pushed 30,000 out of healthcare. Another Obama promise broken? Costs were suppose to go down.
    Don't spout off about profit.......slim profit margin is the reason, just business and ANY business would do this to cut costs.
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  17. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

  18. realbrown1

    realbrown1 Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.

    They are doing it by reducing hours. More part time/no benefit jobs, less full time jobs.
    A win/win for Obama and the Dems.
    More people needing help from the government/Dems.
    Lower unemployment numbers when employers reduce hours and hire a few more part time employees to make up the difference.
  19. bbsam

    bbsam Moderator Staff Member

    Employers like Walmart just hate that, don't they?
  20. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    Every company has a bottom line....Walmart's no exception.

    Any company that wants to stay in business has to do the same thing.

    Even Emeril said the other day that it's hard in the restaurant business, but Obama and his regulations is making it almost impossible.