Take my advice, grow up and move on. You'll get another shot in 4 years and crying every day won't make it come any quicker. Go barbecue or something...
Can't do that Jones. There is way to much at stake for this country's longterm vitality and validity to just do that.
I'll give you an example of what I mean.
Yesterday the AP News ran this story that the US in fact would continue combat missions for the longhaul in what IMO is an opposite position of what Obama is now telling the public. In fact, the story quotes the following from Brig. Gen. Frederick Rudesheim, a deputy commander of U.S. forces in Baghdad:
Brig. Gen. Frederick Rudesheim, a deputy commander of U.S. forces in Baghdad, said the redeployment to the periphery will actually help improve security in the capital because U.S. troops can help stop militants from using bases in rural areas to stage urban attacks.
"I want to leave it very clear that there's no cessation of combat operations," Rudesheim said at a news conference in Baghdad's heavily guarded Green Zone.
But he said the troops will travel to the site of the combat operations from bases outside the city instead of outposts that were established throughout various neighborhoods as part of the 2007 U.S. troop surge.
Now it would be very easy for one to say this is all true until the drop dead date (and there is no pun intended there) Obama has set when allegedly we will be out of Iraq. However, yesterday when the above AP story was hitting the newswire, ABC News released it's own
story where they quoted Iraq's prime minister al-Maliki in saying the following:
U.S. troops will not be removed from areas of Iraq that are not completely secure or where there is a high probability that attacks could resume after the Americans leave, Iraq's prime minister said Sunday.
Nouri al-Maliki said in an interview with The Associated Press that he had told President Barack Obama and other top U.S. officials that any withdrawals "must be done with our approval" and in coordination with the Iraqi government.
"I do not want any withdrawals except in areas considered 100 percent secure and under control," al-Maliki said during his flight from Australia to Baghdad at the end of a five-day visit.
"Any area where there is a likelihood of a resumption of attacks, withdrawals from there will be postponed," he said.
The U.S.-Iraq security pact that went into effect Jan. 1 calls for U.S. combat forces to leave the cities by the end of June in the first step of a plan to remove all American troops from Iraq by the end of 2011.
Obama wants to withdraw all combat troops by September 2010, leaving behind a residual force of up to 50,000 soldiers to train Iraqi forces and go after al-Qaida.
As the Washington spin begins to overtake and dominate the landscape from election spin, promises made during the election cycle will once again become obvious IMO as just more broken promises and this is not an exclusive Obama trait but in truth a fact that happens no matter who is elected. Those that bullhorn Obama to be some type of radical about to run off the reservation should take comfort that Obama is in fact following the template of past Presidents although I'd love it if he would leave the reservation because at least it would be change!
It would also show the guy is thinking beyond the mega corp/mercantile state and that in itself gives one to hope. I figure the war within gov't from such action would result in the people finding new freedoms among themselves and soling problems among themselves, thus further defanging the vampire state.
This thread was started for obvious purposes and quite frankly I was surprised to see D and then yourself even respond to it. I thought D's first point of
Maybe it's the disingenious labeling facter and the falsehood nature of the questions.
was very valid because to be quite honest, I'm not certain based on their track record that had republicans switched seats with democrats right now and McCain was living at 1600 Penn. Ave that things would be all that much different. Our repubican cheerleaders here at the BC decry Obama's plans and their costs but yet the republican
alternative was in the $700 billion range boondoogle. The red state BCers here scream murder at Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Kennedy ad naseum for using gov't as a socialist do-gooder program while ignoring the actions of their own party.
The proposal includes $430 billion in tax cuts, $114 billion for infrastructure projects, $138 billion for extending unemployment insurance, food stamps and other provisions to help those in need and $31 billion to address the housing crisis.
What's even funnier is the vocal opposition of red staters to nation building during the Clinton years and look at what they themselves did when they controlled the keys to the Kingdom. Sad part is they are lost in their own hypocrisy IMO!
Obviously, I'm not a fan of Obama's economic ideas and gov't growth but I could actually handle all that because when gov't does these things, black markets and underground economies prosper and I've operated in these shadows before and I can easily drop back out and do it again because the bigger the bureacracy gets, the bigger and more obvious it's cracks to avoid detection. However, I don't share D's rose colored optimism as he expressed in this statement:
Maybe most people are full of glee that Neo-con Republicans are no longer in charge and won't be lying and hypercritical to the american people any longer.
If that were only true that the same forces that drove policy before were in fact expunged now, I could also rejoice. I don't expect few if any to even begin to understand this comment but had Obama rejected most of the folks he put in power and named folks the likes of Bill Ayers and Rev. Wright, I just might be a bit more positive even though again on a philosophical level I differ in areas from those 2 men. At least those 2 men and their ilk would remove the global empire driven merchantilist who've run things for decades and decades who even now hide behind the mask of being
true free markets in order not to reveal their own draconian monopolistic destruction of the very thing they lie to the public and say they are. So few people dare go back and even read the great
classical liberal thinkers and the
physiocrats that formed the backbone of the force that created our country in the first place. Unstanding the real McCoy would in fact lay the seed to expose the lie of the real system that now runs us under an assumed name.
I've always found it most interesting how the corp-state used it's muscle to kill the free and independent farmer in it's drive towards centralized corp. control of the meaning of obtaining wealth from the land but that is for discussion at another time and place. We no longer are the reason for gov't but rather only chattel to be bred and herded at election time for purposes of continuing a fraud and that is to then after the election, bleed us all dry in the name of the corp/mercantile state that both political parties obey and protect at all costs. IMO Obama, contrary to all things said by himself or what others here say (pro or con) that he is, seems very bound and tied to the same direction all past Presidents, regardless of party or public pronouncements and I see nothing yet that would suggest "CHANGE" is or will actually take place.
Until I see otherwise, I will continue to point out the hypocrisy of bothsides where I see it.
It was once said, by who I forget, but still true IMO
If I can control your words, I can control your thoughts!
If I can control your thoughts, I can control your actions!
If I can control your actions, I control YOU!
The secret to this whole thing working is the control of words which we call spin and this in turn controls your thoughts. All else then follows a natural course of reaction. Allowing others to continue to re-define words of past history will only result in more control.
Are you kidding? They have worn their knees out bowing to 
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