Orion, does it work and if not? Why?

[Lead Belly]

I still wish toner would have left the post I had about you with this pic. It was a classic.

 

[10 point]

Boy was this thread derailed or what?

Where's Indecision when you need him?

 

[10 point]

Even after the admonishment you still bring "the current leader and his administration" into a topic about Orion? Hmmm.... You think maybe Hoffa devised Orion to get under your skin?

No, it was Bush.

 

[Inthegame]

Where's Indecision when you need him?

Washing socks?

 

[Lead Belly]

Washing socks?

Either that or making them stiff

 

[10 point]

I'm very happy with how this thread went down. I wish they would have left everything up.

I gotta admit...
Ya still got spunk.
Let's be nice the rest of the weekend. Your wife is waiting on you to finish up her list.

 

[Harry Manback]

View attachment 27147 I still wish toner would have left the post I had about you with this pic. It was a classic.

And here, we have a UGA alum in his natural environment...

 

[Bubblehead]

Even after the admonishment you still bring "the current leader and his administration" into a topic about Orion? Hmmm.... You think maybe Hoffa devised Orion to get under your skin?

Can't find anything on the IBT's or my Local's website about ORION???

Where can I find the minutes of the National
Teamster/UPS Committee for Technological Change?


ARTICLE 6
Section 4. Technological Change
1. Technological change shall be defined as any significant change
in equipment or materials which results in a significant change in
the work of the bargaining unit or diminishes the number of workers
in the bargaining unit.
2. The Employer and the Union agree to establish a National
Teamster/UPS Committee for Technological Change, consisting of
an equal number of representatives from the Union and UPS. The
Committee shall meet in conjunction with the National Grievance
Panel as necessary to review any planned technological changes
covered by this Section.
3. The Employer will advise the affected Local Unions and the
National Teamster/UPS Committee for Technological Change of
any proposed technological changes at least six (6) months prior to
the implementation of such change except where the change was
later determined in which case the Employer shall provide as much
notice as possible
4. The Employer shall be required to provide the National
Teamster/UPS Committee for Technological Change, any relevant
information to the extent available regarding the technological
changes.
5. The Employer will meet with the Local Union, or, if requested,
the National Teamster/UPS Committee for Technological Change,
promptly after notification to negotiate regarding the effects of the
proposed technological changes.
If a technological change creates new work that replaces, enhances
or modifies bargaining unit work, bargaining unit employees will
perform that new or modified work. The Employer shall provide
bargaining unit employees with training required to utilize the new
technology, if necessary.
6. In the event that the Local Union and Employer cannot reach an
agreement on effects, the matter shall be referred to the National
Teamster/UPS Committee for Technological Change.
7. In the event that the National Committee cannot reach agreement
on the dispute, either party may refer all outstanding disputes to the
National Grievance Committee for resolution in accordance with the
provisions of Article 8 in order to determine if the Employer has violated
the provisions of this Section or if the change will result in a violation
of any other provision of the collective bargaining agreement.

 

[Lead Belly]

Can't find anything on the IBT's or my Local's website about ORION???

Where can I find the minutes of the National
Teamster/UPS Committee for Technological Change?


ARTICLE 6
Section 4. Technological Change
1. Technological change shall be defined as any significant change
in equipment or materials which results in a significant change in
the work of the bargaining unit or diminishes the number of workers
in the bargaining unit.
2. The Employer and the Union agree to establish a National
Teamster/UPS Committee for Technological Change, consisting of
an equal number of representatives from the Union and UPS. The
Committee shall meet in conjunction with the National Grievance
Panel as necessary to review any planned technological changes
covered by this Section.
3. The Employer will advise the affected Local Unions and the
National Teamster/UPS Committee for Technological Change of
any proposed technological changes at least six (6) months prior to
the implementation of such change except where the change was
later determined in which case the Employer shall provide as much
notice as possible
4. The Employer shall be required to provide the National
Teamster/UPS Committee for Technological Change, any relevant
information to the extent available regarding the technological
changes.
5. The Employer will meet with the Local Union, or, if requested,
the National Teamster/UPS Committee for Technological Change,
promptly after notification to negotiate regarding the effects of the
proposed technological changes.
If a technological change creates new work that replaces, enhances
or modifies bargaining unit work, bargaining unit employees will
perform that new or modified work. The Employer shall provide
bargaining unit employees with training required to utilize the new
technology, if necessary.
6. In the event that the Local Union and Employer cannot reach an
agreement on effects, the matter shall be referred to the National
Teamster/UPS Committee for Technological Change.
7. In the event that the National Committee cannot reach agreement
on the dispute, either party may refer all outstanding disputes to the
National Grievance Committee for resolution in accordance with the
provisions of Article 8 in order to determine if the Employer has violated
the provisions of this Section or if the change will result in a violation
of any other provision of the collective bargaining agreement.

I bet ya the Irishman can get it.

 

[Bubblehead]

I bet ya the Irishman can get it.

Why can't everybody?

 

[Lead Belly]

Why can't everybody?

You're asking the wrong guy. I'm just stupid says the Irishman! What do you think I got some kind of vast resources or something? I'm just a stupid teamster that posts about music and dogs. Move along nothin to see here

 

[Lead Belly]

I love the Brown Cafe.

 

[10 point]

Can't find anything on the IBT's or my Local's website about ORION???

Where can I find the minutes of the National
Teamster/UPS Committee for Technological Change?


ARTICLE 6
Section 4. Technological Change
1. Technological change shall be defined as any significant change
in equipment or materials which results in a significant change in
the work of the bargaining unit or diminishes the number of workers
in the bargaining unit.
2. The Employer and the Union agree to establish a National
Teamster/UPS Committee for Technological Change, consisting of
an equal number of representatives from the Union and UPS. The
Committee shall meet in conjunction with the National Grievance
Panel as necessary to review any planned technological changes
covered by this Section.
3. The Employer will advise the affected Local Unions and the
National Teamster/UPS Committee for Technological Change of
any proposed technological changes at least six (6) months prior to
the implementation of such change except where the change was
later determined in which case the Employer shall provide as much
notice as possible
4. The Employer shall be required to provide the National
Teamster/UPS Committee for Technological Change, any relevant
information to the extent available regarding the technological
changes.
5. The Employer will meet with the Local Union, or, if requested,
the National Teamster/UPS Committee for Technological Change,
promptly after notification to negotiate regarding the effects of the
proposed technological changes.
If a technological change creates new work that replaces, enhances
or modifies bargaining unit work, bargaining unit employees will
perform that new or modified work. The Employer shall provide
bargaining unit employees with training required to utilize the new
technology, if necessary.
6. In the event that the Local Union and Employer cannot reach an
agreement on effects, the matter shall be referred to the National
Teamster/UPS Committee for Technological Change.
7. In the event that the National Committee cannot reach agreement
on the dispute, either party may refer all outstanding disputes to the
National Grievance Committee for resolution in accordance with the
provisions of Article 8 in order to determine if the Employer has violated
the provisions of this Section or if the change will result in a violation
of any other provision of the collective bargaining agreement.

Was the bargaining unit diminished in your building due to Orion's implementation?

 

[UnconTROLLed]

Are people still asking what ORION "is"? ;/

 

[10 point]

Is the largest deciding issue of technology change triggering the policing by the locals due to diminishing the bargaining unit?

That has to be the target goal by the company just like the ultimate goal of PAS was to reduce routes and the union said nothing here.
The diminishing of routes ultimately reduces full time opportunities and puts more drivers into a double bump situation (especially with the one punch a week healthcare) and that displaces two other employees.

Where's the Union response on that and the possibility of Orion duplicating that issue?

You want to keep this a pure thread about Orion but it is not possible to ignore that the Hoffa administration (and the trickle down affects of their friendship with the company) has allowed the bargaining unit to be diminished with the implementation of PAS and now the possibility of the same with Orion?

Where's our protection? I dont think the two can be seperated.

 

[toonertoo]

I dont know the union response and the brown cafe has no problem with it being discussed. It does have a problem with immature, urinating matches.

 

[ncsu2388]

If they wanted to save money and reduce miles all they needed to do is change the route taken to and from the facility once your on area not much altering to save miles. But management they have a master plan so fine by me I get paid by the hour.

 

[10 point]

I dont know the union response and the brown cafe has no problem with it being discussed. It does have a problem with immature, urinating matches.

My post wasn't in response to your post.

It was just how I see the root of PAS and probably the Orion systems ideology.
Laud it as "green" systems and corporate selling it the various ways they do but looking back the PAS system implementation totally angered many customers do to the uncaring attitude of our management team when it came to consistant service times (consistency WAS our strong suit compared to the competition); SSI accounts no longer mattered in our scheme of cutting bargaining unit jobs, and now, with stronger competition waiting at the door, we want to make more of our customer base upset.

There's something I'm not seeing here. Either we're out of the loop arrogant as a company or the other shoe is going to drop and at that point we'll strong union leadership without rubber stamps.

 

[toonertoo]

My post wasn't in response to your post.

It was just how I see the root of PAS and probably the Orion systems ideology.
Laud it as "green" systems and corporate selling it the various ways they do but looking back the PAS system implementation totally angered many customers do to the uncaring attitude of our management team when it came to consistant service times (consistency WAS our strong suit compared to the competition); SSI accounts no longer mattered in our scheme of cutting bargaining unit jobs, and now, with stronger competition waiting at the door, we want to make more of our customer base upset.

There's something I'm not seeing here. Either we're out of the loop arrogant as a company or the other shoe is going to drop and at that point we'll strong union leadership without rubber stamps.

I did not think it was 10 point. And I hate orion, so I am with you.

 

[Scottyhawk]

Well considering ORION is missing the key component to it's application, optimization, it doesn't work and will never work IMO.