ORION

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by upschick0182, Aug 26, 2014.

  1. upschick0182

    upschick0182 New Member

    What happens if you don't follow orion?
     
  2. superballs63

    superballs63 Well-Known Troll Troll

    To be honest? I haven't a clue.

    But from what I've been told, if you don't follow Orion, you will provide better customer service

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  3. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

    You drive less miles, make fewer left turns, and deliver more stops per hour with less stress.
     
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  4. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    The works as we know it will end.
     
  5. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    Ask your steward or BA. They will be the ones that know about discipline in your area.
     
  6. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

    ...sometimes you have to listen to a supervisor bitch and whine for a minute or two.
     
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  7. kingOFchester

    kingOFchester Well-Known Member

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  8. JL 0513

    JL 0513 Well-Known Member

    If you come in at less than 85% (or 90 depending on center) compliance, you better beat the projected miles estimated by Orion or you'll get a talk to follow it.
     
  9. Wally

    Wally Hailing from Parts Unknown.

    Some A-wad in the Atlanta building will get an alert.
     
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  10. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    A center manager will be scolded by a coward on a conference call that is sitting in an office 300 miles away.
     
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  11. Somepeoplecallmethestig

    Somepeoplecallmethestig Are you not amused?

    If all the centers with Orion followed Orion this peak what would happen? Other then massive service failure's? What would UPS do?
     
  12. What'dyabringmetoday???

    What'dyabringmetoday??? Well-Known Member

    If you are a big boy towing a couple trailers behind you, oh, never mind. Lol?
     
  13. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

    Sometimes I follow ORION less than 50%, and beat the miles by 20 or 30.

    Other times I follow it less than 50% and come in 10 or 15 miles over.

    I have been on it for over a year and they never talk to me about it, and if they did I would laugh at them...which is probably why they don't talk to me about it.

    My ORION is utterly schizo, it makes no sense, it wants me to drive thru vineyards and locked gates or up roads that are only passable in the summer with a 4x4, or even roads that don't exist at all. It has me doing some of my pickups 4 hours ahead of their scheduled times, and other pickups an hour after they close. A four year old blind kid holding a crayon in one fist could draw a better trace on a map than ORION does for my route.
     
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  14. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    Many routes Orion has you do 2 loops where it was done in one loop prior. Maybe factoring in you might have to double trip because of pick ups.
     
  15. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

    This is one of the "roads" that showed up on my ORION implementer's little Google Earth tablet when he tried to figure out the optimum trace for my route. Its actually a tractor path between two fields. On private property. In the real world, however, I am only able to use it if (A) I have a delivery for the property owner and (B) it is summertime. Otherwise, (A) I am trespassing and (B) if its winter or spring I will bury my truck in mud up to the axles.

    All roads look flat and paved according to Google Earth and ORION. Too bad they arent that way in real life.

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  16. joeboodog

    joeboodog good people drink good beer

    Next time they get on my case for excessive backing I'll just tell them I'm getting ready for orion.
     
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  17. ArcherUTR

    ArcherUTR Active Member

    Ok, but out-of-my-ass I'm saying 90% of domestic UPS drivers don't face this kind of retarded problem...we face other types of way retarded problems.

    Mine is my time allowance. I have already completed my pickups an hour and a half ago within their required window. Since that is reality, why in the world would I now drive down to the bottom of my route and run about 50% of my residentials backwards in order to get to where I am now.
     
  18. deadmanwalking

    deadmanwalking New Member

    Orion is not finished yet, it will take years to do what they want with it. They want to have people , pay for different times like you can pay extra so I can deliver your box to your house at say 1315Pm. Orion will then map the day around that time slot like air. It does take more time, working off 8000 shelf for your first 5 stops is dumb.
    They say in the future it will be loaded how Orion is run , not your rdo. Which would be nice because half the time I cant find all the boxes.
    One day it will be a game changer. Most times of the day will be bought, with orion now it doesn't matter if you deliver all houses first , then the business later. Before it was getting rid of the business first , then houses last.

    Plan in the future is to have one diad and one tablet in each truck. The tablet will talk as you drive like car GPS's . If you have to break off of orion to deliver something big in the way, after your done you will press a button and a new Orion plan will come back reflecting the changes you did the route and making start from that point.
    Its a way to control, and later lower the rate, like the pal system.
    So for now you have to run it , they are saving Future dollars.
    They know its going to cost more now.

    By the way it does add 15 to 30 extra stops a day once they start really using it. Mine was 95 to 110. Now its 120 to 140.
    So you can try to fight it up it will keep loading up more. Every 60 days or so. No cheating.
    Don't count need apt, or if you have to go back twice as an extra stop. Dup them. You'll just make it harder for your self later.
    You could have maybe 5 free stops a day, and it takes what seconds to record it . Later the computer will think oh you can do more.
    Then the system will keep added more stops. Its not worth it. Your route wont pay anyway.
    I hope this helps

    last note.
    at xmas time , no one had to run Orion, because it doesn't work. Although I watched a video that UPS made about this peak saying because of Orion xmas would be better this year.
     
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  19. joeboodog

    joeboodog good people drink good beer

    I just hope that I retire before full implementation occurs. Half the fun of our jobs is looking at our loads and figuring out a common sense solution. ORION will take that all away.
     
  20. MyTripisCut

    MyTripisCut Well-Known Member

    One day it will be a game changer. Most times of the day will be bought, with orion now it doesn't matter if you deliver all houses first , then the business later. Before it was getting rid of the business first , then houses last.

    I will continue to eat lunch whenever I'm hungry or need a break so I hope no one sells that time. Still won't work. People just don't like to be told what to do especially by a computer.