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<blockquote data-quote="DaveA" data-source="post: 1861270" data-attributes="member: 29093"><p>Management gets the same vacation time and gets it sooner, actually. Management = 5 years for 3 weeks, 10 years for 4 weeks, 20 years for 5 weeks, 25 years for 6 weeks.</p><p></p><p>My building has forced drivers in on Saturday and Sunday. The argument about not having to come in for Saturday is incorrect. Plenty of job protection. If you don't steal or have an ethics issues, you are not going to get fired as a supervisor. I have been with the company 15 years and can speak matter of factly about this.</p><p></p><p>While I agree it's not right that an ORS makes less than the person they are supervising, you pretty much know that going in. Make an informed decision. When a new driver asks me about going into supervision, I'm honest with them and tell them the good and bad. I encourage them to talk to the teamsters about it, including the shop steward. I tell them that if they can be talked out of it by anyone, then it truly isn't the job for them. Talk to family, friends, management, teamsters, and make an informed decision. If they do all that, they should have a good idea of what they are getting into.</p><p></p><p>While everyone talks about the negative to management, lets talk about the positive. And these are my reasons for going into management.</p><p></p><p>1) 401k match</p><p>2) UPS managing my pension versus teamsters. This was a big part of my decision to switch. UPS knows how to manage money. I do realize the pension isn't available to new/younger supervisors.</p><p>3) No union dues</p><p>4) Tuition reimbursement</p><p>5) Brain over brawn. Not to imply drivers don't have to think. They do - and lots of it. For me, this is more in reference to the wear and tear on my body over 30 years of employment. I wanted no part of it. Sure, I occasionally have to pull a route. I want to say three times so far this year. And at 6pm each night, the remainder of my work and pickups was distributed to nearby drivers - as it should be. We may work a 60 hour week but it's not 60 hours of physical work and manual labor. As soon as a driver clocks in he is doing manual labor for the next 10 hours.</p><p>6) Sky is the limit for me. You all talk about ORS versus FSP salary. How about CEO versus FSP salary? Because that's how far I can go in the company, whereas FSP is essentially topping out as a feeder driver.</p><p>7) Getting out early to go to my kids game. Going in late to go to my kids 'thing' at school. I do this a good dozen times a year without issue.</p><p>8) No wait for 'full rate'. If someone starts with the company today and gets promoted to ORS within 6 months, they are at the highest supervisor pay grade for operations. You can argue it does not happen but I would tell you it does. I have seen several just in the past few years.</p><p></p><p>There are lots of negatives to management. Most have been discussed already. Lets just not forget about the positives. I have seen new drivers leave after a few months because the allure of $100k a year (after a 4 year wait) with 60 hours a week of manual labor does not appeal to them. It didn't appeal to me either. There's more to life than money. I'm okay making 5 or 10% less in exchange for significantly less wear on my body.</p><p></p><p>I get you can argue 'you have to pay for health care' and 'my union does are my healthcare costs', etc etc etc. Again, do the research and make an informed decision. Management isn't for everyone. No argument there.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DaveA, post: 1861270, member: 29093"] Management gets the same vacation time and gets it sooner, actually. Management = 5 years for 3 weeks, 10 years for 4 weeks, 20 years for 5 weeks, 25 years for 6 weeks. My building has forced drivers in on Saturday and Sunday. The argument about not having to come in for Saturday is incorrect. Plenty of job protection. If you don't steal or have an ethics issues, you are not going to get fired as a supervisor. I have been with the company 15 years and can speak matter of factly about this. While I agree it's not right that an ORS makes less than the person they are supervising, you pretty much know that going in. Make an informed decision. When a new driver asks me about going into supervision, I'm honest with them and tell them the good and bad. I encourage them to talk to the teamsters about it, including the shop steward. I tell them that if they can be talked out of it by anyone, then it truly isn't the job for them. Talk to family, friends, management, teamsters, and make an informed decision. If they do all that, they should have a good idea of what they are getting into. While everyone talks about the negative to management, lets talk about the positive. And these are my reasons for going into management. 1) 401k match 2) UPS managing my pension versus teamsters. This was a big part of my decision to switch. UPS knows how to manage money. I do realize the pension isn't available to new/younger supervisors. 3) No union dues 4) Tuition reimbursement 5) Brain over brawn. Not to imply drivers don't have to think. They do - and lots of it. For me, this is more in reference to the wear and tear on my body over 30 years of employment. I wanted no part of it. Sure, I occasionally have to pull a route. I want to say three times so far this year. And at 6pm each night, the remainder of my work and pickups was distributed to nearby drivers - as it should be. We may work a 60 hour week but it's not 60 hours of physical work and manual labor. As soon as a driver clocks in he is doing manual labor for the next 10 hours. 6) Sky is the limit for me. You all talk about ORS versus FSP salary. How about CEO versus FSP salary? Because that's how far I can go in the company, whereas FSP is essentially topping out as a feeder driver. 7) Getting out early to go to my kids game. Going in late to go to my kids 'thing' at school. I do this a good dozen times a year without issue. 8) No wait for 'full rate'. If someone starts with the company today and gets promoted to ORS within 6 months, they are at the highest supervisor pay grade for operations. You can argue it does not happen but I would tell you it does. I have seen several just in the past few years. There are lots of negatives to management. Most have been discussed already. Lets just not forget about the positives. I have seen new drivers leave after a few months because the allure of $100k a year (after a 4 year wait) with 60 hours a week of manual labor does not appeal to them. It didn't appeal to me either. There's more to life than money. I'm okay making 5 or 10% less in exchange for significantly less wear on my body. I get you can argue 'you have to pay for health care' and 'my union does are my healthcare costs', etc etc etc. Again, do the research and make an informed decision. Management isn't for everyone. No argument there. [/QUOTE]
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