outside hire

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by out side cover driver, Oct 29, 2008.

  1. I was hired in 10/06. Rehired in 1/07 as a cover driver. No one seems to know how my pay increases go. I was told 2 years then 2.5 years. Now I talk to my boss and the shop stewert. They said I go by the old contract. We were in there trying to figure this out for like an hour. Cause the contract is so hard to understand. So they found it to be 2 years. I want to know how my progression is. Cause they had me on the new progression. I know they owe me back pay now, wondering if anyone can help me please.:dissapointed:
     
  2. drewed

    drewed Shankman

    The rate in effect on July 31, 2002 will be used to calculate the progression
    rates for the life of this Agreement.

    Rate in Effect
    on July 31, 2002
    Start 70%
    Seniority 75%
    Seniority date plus one (1) year 80%
    Seniority date plus eighteen (18) months 90%
    seniority date plus 2 years Top rate
    Sounds simple enough to me, the 10/06 doesnt matter youll use 1/07 as your hire date
    30 days passed as your seniority date and base off the other increases off that
    so sometime first quarter of 09 you should be top rate
    Seniority date plus two (2) years Top Rate
     
  3. Correct me if I'm wrong I do go by the old contract. Even thou I started in 1/07.
    So I should be getting around 26.00 an hour not 17.10
     
  4. IDoLessWorkThanMost

    IDoLessWorkThanMost New Member

    Wasn't top rate 2 1/2 years progression for package car in the old contract?

    If your F/T seniority date is 1/07 then 7/09 you will be top rate.
     
  5. In the book it says 2 years but I was told 2.5 ....:censored2::censored2::censored2:


    They never gave me a book I had to get it from someone else very confusing thats the way they like it.
     
  6. gandydancer

    gandydancer New Member

    With plaintext copy of a pdf file you lose the crossouts. To see them, download the contract changes at http://www.makeupsdeliver.org/page.php?20 and look at Article 41, Section 2(c): "c. The progression for employees entering a package car driving, or feeder, or other full-time job (other than an air driver or a job covered by Section 3 below) position after August 1, 2002 2008 shall be as follows:

    Start $14.70 $16.10
    Seniority $15.75 $17.25
    Twelve (12) months $16.80 $18.45
    Twenty-four (24) months $18.90 $20.75
    Thirty-six (36) (30) months (current top rate) Top Rate"

    So you have a 2.5 year progression, while current hires have a 3 year progression. As best I can tell, just looking at the contract (I'm not a driver) and assuming you made seniority circa 3/07 you're at the 12-month pre-8/08 level of $16.80 plus the 8/1/08 $0.35 general increase, i.e. $17.15. On 2/1/09 you should get another $0.35, to $17.50, and circa 3/09 you'll get the old 24-month rate, $18.90. On 8/1/09 you'll get the $0.375 general increase to $19.275 and on circa 9/09 you'll go to the top rate, which will be $22.62 + $0.70 + $0.375, or $23.695. On 2/1/10, 8/1/10 and 2/1/11 you'll get another $0.375 each time, then $0.425 on 8/1/11 and 2/1/12, and $0.475 on 8/1/12 and 2/1/13. This assumes UPS is not going to round rates and the February raises won't be taken away to give money to health and welfare, which is allowed by the contract.
     
  7. IDoLessWorkThanMost

    IDoLessWorkThanMost New Member

    Cover drivers only get 22.3 rate?
     
  8. IDoLessWorkThanMost

    IDoLessWorkThanMost New Member

    You will be making roughly 29/hr come 7/09, bottom line. THe progression is 2.5 years in the old contract for package.
     
  9. IDoLessWorkThanMost

    IDoLessWorkThanMost New Member

    again drewed, this is why you should just allow actual working Teamsters with experience to answer questions regarding the union, instead of trying to be the first one to answer every question and feeding misinformation.
     
  10. drewed

    drewed Shankman

    And what gives you the right to give mis information about management, saying all UPS management sucks and are dumb? its a double edged sword piss off if you dont like it
    as hoke has so eloquently put in another thread...you could always ignore me :)
     
  11. IDoLessWorkThanMost

    IDoLessWorkThanMost New Member

    Show me one quote where I said "All UPS management sucks and are dumb", and I'll show you at least 10 posts where you hastily spread wrong information in each thread just to be the first to respond and act like you know what you're talking about, in hopes of gaining some sort of authorative respect.

    Again, for the umpteenth time (and not only me saying this), MYOB-being what is not union related stuff.
     
  12. IDoLessWorkThanMost

    IDoLessWorkThanMost New Member

    Someone has to correct you every time you speak because you don't know what you're talking about (remember what adults say, when you're 18 you think you know everything) ...well you aren't far from 18...
     
  13. gandydancer

    gandydancer New Member

    I don't think we have cover drivers here. I assumed he was the one-in-six(?) outside hire as a package driver with package driver rates, etc., whom management was choosing to use as a cover driver, but I don't claim to know. He stated a current rate of pay, $17.10, that was olnly 5 cednts from what I calculated, so I thought I was on the right track. Why he wsould get 22.3 rates is inexplicable...?
     
  14. IDoLessWorkThanMost

    IDoLessWorkThanMost New Member

    You lost me here. Full-time inside top rate here is 22.97, up to 23.12 if you're 5pm-5am start time. Package currently near 28.50 .
     
  15. IDoLessWorkThanMost

    IDoLessWorkThanMost New Member

    Just search for UPS Teamsters contract on google and you can find a link to download the contracts (2002, 2008)...

    Package car was 2.5 year wage progression in 2002, now 3 years in 2008. You fall under the previous contract, so it's 2.5 years from your full-time seniority date.
     
  16. brownmonster

    brownmonster Man of Great Wisdom

    Or you could go to the BC homepage on the left.
     
  17. sortaisle

    sortaisle Livin the cardboard dream

    I think cover driver is the new term for utility driver in UPS lingo. We had an argument over this a little while ago with our HR rep. Apparently they're trying to say that part timers that drive are utility drivers (correct) and full time drivers who don't have a bid route are cover drivers (so so so wrong) I have no idea who they think cover drivers are anymore, but this is something that I'm sure UPS will challenge and probably win in arbitration since in our local, they do some wheeling and dealing (much like trading baseball cards) with our grievances and then go play golf and drink beer together after panels.
     
  18. gandydancer

    gandydancer New Member

    I'm assuming "out side cover driver" is a ft driver without his own bid route, and doesn't qualify for a night shift differential. Then, "The Top Rate shall be $22.62 plus the general wage increases provided in Section 1 above.", namely, "In each of the years, the increase shall be paid in two (2) equal installments. The first-half of the increase shall become effective on August 1 of the specified year. The second half of the increase shall become effective on February 1 of the following calendar year. The total wage increase for the year will be as follows:

    2008 seventy cents ($0.70)
    2009 seventy-five cents ($0.75)
    2010 seventy-five cents ($0.75)
    2011 eighty-five cents ($0.85)
    2012 ninety–five cents ($0.95)"

    The driver Top Rate on August 1, 2007 was $22.50, and there's been one General increase of 35 cents since, on the same day the new top rate of $22.62 went into effect, so that any pc driver who was at $22.50 before Aug 1 should be making $22.85, plus any shift differential. I presume $28.50 was reached because general wage increases similarly outstripped progression.
     
  19. Whats the difference utility drive and cover driver.

    I was 1 of 6.
     
  20. gandydancer

    gandydancer New Member

    Clarifying, I meant, "... because general wage increases similarly outstripped the progression of the 'Top Rate'."