Panel or last chance agreement

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by Silly solution, Oct 13, 2015.

  1. Silly solution

    Silly solution New Member

    I currently have 9 article 7 discharges letters, 7 of the 9 were from last year (2014) all were for "failure to follow proper methods and procedures" This year I had one back in spring for not filling out a delivery notice. I had lost my pen, normally I keep extra pens in my truck but on this day they had pulled me off my bid run at the last minute to cover a different run. This time around I got an actual discharge, article 56 I believe, for not sheeting a misload that was on my car. I never saw this package other wise I would have sheeted it missed as we are instructed to. The labor manager has offered for me to come back to work on article 7 and go to panel or sign a last chance agreement with a lengthy suspension i have already been out of work for a week and a half. My BA seems to think It wouldn't go well for me at panel.
    wondering what you guys think.
    also every time I received an article 7 the steward would have me sign a blank grievance form.... then I would never hear anything about it after that... no resolution? are they are just letting them stack paper on me, does this sound like the normal procedure for a grievance? now threatening my job with a bunch of crap mostly from 2014 and few in 2013. a few of them were for accidentally sheeting resi savers as commercial after 3 which makes them late. we use to be able to void the stop and resheet it the correct way but for some reason they changed that to we can't void air stops, which is bull i think they were doing this so they had more tools to write you up and then they eventually went back to its ok to void them, that lasted almost a year. Shouldn't these been resolved seems like that it would fall under using technology for discipline.
    I know that the reality of it is they are not happy with my over allowed so I get written up for things that other people get a talking to.
    I don't feel as though any of things they have written me for is a discharge able offense, no cardinal sins, no malicious behavior, no falsifying documents, just mistakes that everyone is bound to make from time to time. confused, nervous, and scared of losing my job after over 20 years with the company.
     
  2. Turdferguson

    Turdferguson Guest

    What is article 7 discharge letters have not heard of that before
     
  3. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Take the last chance, serve the suspension and use that time to decide if this is the right job for you.
     
  4. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    Are these warning letters you are talking about? Or did you get fired a bunch of times?
     
  5. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Article 7's are working terminations.
     
  6. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    What I am wondering is how he still has a job after so many times.
     
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  7. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Must be a runner/gunner. :)
     
  8. Silly solution

    Silly solution New Member

    because failure to follow method and procedures isn't something you should get fired for. basically they give me a warning letter for something like didn't take not in 3 package of the car and give to clerk then next write up for failure to follow methods was a working suspension then article 7 discharge which is a working termination then they just keep throwing them at me for a 2 year period. and the union and management never resolve them. so never actually fired me just documenting every time they write me up
     
  9. Cementups

    Cementups Box Monkey

    He said "they aren't happy with my over allowed." RNG's don't run over allowed. You should know that, Dave. ;)


    And is he accepts the suspension he's basically admitting guilt.

    If your BA was worth his weight then he would have better hopes on you. First of all they should be discounting your infractions from 2013-14. Too much time has passed. If they didn't think it was a big enough deal to follow up on then, they can't hold them against you now. Discipline on past practice.
     
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  10. Turdferguson

    Turdferguson Guest

    By themselves no, but 9 times?
    At some point you learn your lesson don't you
     
  11. trickpony1

    trickpony1 Well-Known Member

    Time to contact the NLRB?
     
  12. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    I missed the over allowed part.

    I agree w/ONG---how is this guy still here?
     
  13. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    For what---being a f*ckup?
     
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  14. Silly solution

    Silly solution New Member

    over a 2 year period though?
     
  15. Turdferguson

    Turdferguson Guest

    9x's is a lot.
     
  16. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    1 is too many.

    9 would get you shown the door in my center.
     
  17. Silly solution

    Silly solution New Member

    so when I accidentally hit commercial on residential next day saver and it pops up late i should get an article 7 discharge? even though I could just void the stop and resheet it the correct way but for some reason I will get written up if I void the stop and correct my mistake?
     
  18. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    We have a cover driver who is on his 2nd Article 7---both for late air. We think they are trying to get rid of him.
     
  19. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    When UPS starts nitpicking little things to keep disciplining someone there is usually a bigger reason as to why they want to get rid of him.
     
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  20. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    Depends. I think where he has gotten lucky is its different methods he's :censored2:ing up