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<blockquote data-quote="InsideUPS" data-source="post: 1129103" data-attributes="member: 31414"><p>1A) Inthegame....apparently some of us are not "Inthegame" as much as yourself considering your connections with a member of the National Committee. MY INTENT pure and simple was to URGE UPS and the IBT to be CONCERNED about EDUCATING and INFORMING it's rank and file...in a timely manner. Comment number one was based on what IS POSTED on UPSers... I was not forming an opinion...only relaying information and misunderstanding that is for a fact.....on UPSers.com. The fact that there is a tentative agreement.....I believe it would be in "written" form.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>2A) When details are "firm"? <u>I would hope that the details of the contract are firm at this time...if not...maybe we should have spent a little more time at the negotiating table before we agreed...to a "tentative agreement"</u>. As far as the contract being carefully explained....not really so certain about that. One thing many people seem to overlook.....each and every Local is different. Some do a better job than others.. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>3A) Your connections to a member of the National Committee can be both beneficial and detrimental to your thinking based on friendship, loyalty, etc.. I have NO DOUBT but what a member of the National Committee would say that the contract would "sell it self". I once had a Toyota salesman tell me that he doesn't have to do a thing to sell a Toyota... I walked away and purchased another brand elsewhere. That was before all the recalls and competition.... and before we go there....I purchased a car made in Ohio. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>4A) Once again, there you go assuming that all Locals will give "full undisclosed honesty and explanations at the contract explanation meetings". Not ALL Locals are loyal Hoffa backers...not all Locals provide the same level of concern, service, and honesty to it's members.... Let's pull every Locals LM-2's and see if all Locals are equal in their membership, their cost efficiency, etc..... <strong><u><a href="http://kcerds.dol-esa.gov/query/getOrgQry.do" target="_blank">Organization Query Page (Disclosure)</a></u></strong></p><p><strong><u></u></strong> </p><p></p><p></p><p>5A)<u> I agree...so let's not delete his comments when you quoted me.. You conveniently removed his comments because you did not agree with him but conveniently addressed them in the middle of your following long paragraph... Those are the types of "manuevers" that we get handed when our contract language is written. You should have just come out and said you didn't agree with him.......you know...be upfront and honest...instead of hiding it between a bunch of words.</u>. </p><p>Orangeputeh states "TDU is a big winner since the IBT has been treating us like mushrooms".. This goes back to my comments about the IBT and the manner in which they inform we "Rank and File"</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>6A) TDU reports information. I like when I am given the opportunity to decide what information I read and what I choose to believe in. Last time I checked I'm in America... With logic like yours...."<em>If IBT members want to believe the make-believe from TDU they're dumming themselves down"</em>.we would all be the same political party...the same religion.. etc.. So....just so I get this straight.... ONLY SMART people believe everything we are fed from our IBT leadership.. We should not question in any manner the information we are presented? </p><p></p><p>Possibly you could help me with current information on the TDU website: Is the following information conjecture or a rumor?:</p><p>"There will be a meeting for representatives from every local to review the proposed tentative agreement on May 7. Due to past legal victories, TDU will receive and make available to the members the national agreement and all supplements and riders at that time."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>7A) So did I (back Ron Carey)....and I appreciated and admired hall performance. Times do change.....and intelligent people do and can adapt....BUT....they also ask questions....AND more importantly...are able to think for themselves...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="InsideUPS, post: 1129103, member: 31414"] 1A) Inthegame....apparently some of us are not "Inthegame" as much as yourself considering your connections with a member of the National Committee. MY INTENT pure and simple was to URGE UPS and the IBT to be CONCERNED about EDUCATING and INFORMING it's rank and file...in a timely manner. Comment number one was based on what IS POSTED on UPSers... I was not forming an opinion...only relaying information and misunderstanding that is for a fact.....on UPSers.com. The fact that there is a tentative agreement.....I believe it would be in "written" form. 2A) When details are "firm"? [U]I would hope that the details of the contract are firm at this time...if not...maybe we should have spent a little more time at the negotiating table before we agreed...to a "tentative agreement"[/U]. As far as the contract being carefully explained....not really so certain about that. One thing many people seem to overlook.....each and every Local is different. Some do a better job than others.. 3A) Your connections to a member of the National Committee can be both beneficial and detrimental to your thinking based on friendship, loyalty, etc.. I have NO DOUBT but what a member of the National Committee would say that the contract would "sell it self". I once had a Toyota salesman tell me that he doesn't have to do a thing to sell a Toyota... I walked away and purchased another brand elsewhere. That was before all the recalls and competition.... and before we go there....I purchased a car made in Ohio. 4A) Once again, there you go assuming that all Locals will give "full undisclosed honesty and explanations at the contract explanation meetings". Not ALL Locals are loyal Hoffa backers...not all Locals provide the same level of concern, service, and honesty to it's members.... Let's pull every Locals LM-2's and see if all Locals are equal in their membership, their cost efficiency, etc..... [B][U][URL="http://kcerds.dol-esa.gov/query/getOrgQry.do"]Organization Query Page (Disclosure)[/URL] [/U][/B] 5A)[U] I agree...so let's not delete his comments when you quoted me.. You conveniently removed his comments because you did not agree with him but conveniently addressed them in the middle of your following long paragraph... Those are the types of "manuevers" that we get handed when our contract language is written. You should have just come out and said you didn't agree with him.......you know...be upfront and honest...instead of hiding it between a bunch of words.[/U]. Orangeputeh states "TDU is a big winner since the IBT has been treating us like mushrooms".. This goes back to my comments about the IBT and the manner in which they inform we "Rank and File" 6A) TDU reports information. I like when I am given the opportunity to decide what information I read and what I choose to believe in. Last time I checked I'm in America... With logic like yours...."[I]If IBT members want to believe the make-believe from TDU they're dumming themselves down"[/I].we would all be the same political party...the same religion.. etc.. So....just so I get this straight.... ONLY SMART people believe everything we are fed from our IBT leadership.. We should not question in any manner the information we are presented? Possibly you could help me with current information on the TDU website: Is the following information conjecture or a rumor?: "There will be a meeting for representatives from every local to review the proposed tentative agreement on May 7. Due to past legal victories, TDU will receive and make available to the members the national agreement and all supplements and riders at that time." 7A) So did I (back Ron Carey)....and I appreciated and admired hall performance. Times do change.....and intelligent people do and can adapt....BUT....they also ask questions....AND more importantly...are able to think for themselves... [/QUOTE]
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