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Part timers are the really big losers in the contract!
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<blockquote data-quote="InsideUPS" data-source="post: 1129593" data-attributes="member: 31414"><p>Hoaxster, the progression of employees both PT and FT at UPS in my career went something like this:</p><p></p><p><u><strong>PAST Part-time</strong></u> - Most part-timers were hired from college campuses back in the late 70's early 80's. Students who were simply looking for some extra money, etc.. As you mentioned.. 18-20 year olds. Even driver helpers back in the late 70's (I started in 1978) were often hired from college campuses. This is a period when part-timers started at around $8.00/hour and our progression rate was equal to that of a full-time driver. (now considered "red circled employees"). Because of the high rate of pay, a number of us did not leave UPS. I have several friends that actually have four year teaching degrees that stayed with UPS simply because the rate of pay was equal to or higher than what they would have received teaching. Most of these people eventually went into either full time management or full time driving. Progressing into full-time positions back in the 70's, 80's and even early 90's was relatively easy and quick.</p><p> </p><p><u><strong>PAST Full-time</strong></u> - Job openings for both full-time management and full-time driving jobs were plentiful. I have many friends that I started with back in 1978 that went into driving and management positions through the 80's and early 90's. You may be interested to know (considering your background) that I myself was being recruited for an IS position...(not interested in relocating to Mahwah NJ). I happen to be responsible for the first desktop computers in our center (1985)...and later a neighboring center. I wrote several programs....one of which was the predecessor to the S.T.A.R. (Sort Training and Retention) program...in addition other planning programs. FYI...all done on the ancient Apple II+ computers...</p><p> </p><p><u><strong>Today - In the past 10 or so years since we've gone public</strong></u>, job progression (both hourly and management) has virtually come to a standstill and in some cases retracted. Our center for example has gone from slightly over 100 driving positions to around 75-80 positions in the last 5 years. Increased sizes in trucks and routes along with longer days for drivers (in addition to SurePost) has virtually blocked job progression. Drivers would either retire or go into management. Now we have "specialists" (being hired off the street) instead of experienced supervisors coming from the driving ranks. In our center(s), we have 12+ year part-time employees still waiting to go into full-time driving positions... (I have not seen any promotions into full-time management for over 5 years). Retirement has been delayed by many drivers because of the 2001 market crash (lost 401k money)....economy..life issues, etc.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="InsideUPS, post: 1129593, member: 31414"] Hoaxster, the progression of employees both PT and FT at UPS in my career went something like this: [U][B]PAST Part-time[/B][/U] - Most part-timers were hired from college campuses back in the late 70's early 80's. Students who were simply looking for some extra money, etc.. As you mentioned.. 18-20 year olds. Even driver helpers back in the late 70's (I started in 1978) were often hired from college campuses. This is a period when part-timers started at around $8.00/hour and our progression rate was equal to that of a full-time driver. (now considered "red circled employees"). Because of the high rate of pay, a number of us did not leave UPS. I have several friends that actually have four year teaching degrees that stayed with UPS simply because the rate of pay was equal to or higher than what they would have received teaching. Most of these people eventually went into either full time management or full time driving. Progressing into full-time positions back in the 70's, 80's and even early 90's was relatively easy and quick. [U][B]PAST Full-time[/B][/U] - Job openings for both full-time management and full-time driving jobs were plentiful. I have many friends that I started with back in 1978 that went into driving and management positions through the 80's and early 90's. You may be interested to know (considering your background) that I myself was being recruited for an IS position...(not interested in relocating to Mahwah NJ). I happen to be responsible for the first desktop computers in our center (1985)...and later a neighboring center. I wrote several programs....one of which was the predecessor to the S.T.A.R. (Sort Training and Retention) program...in addition other planning programs. FYI...all done on the ancient Apple II+ computers... [U][B]Today - In the past 10 or so years since we've gone public[/B][/U], job progression (both hourly and management) has virtually come to a standstill and in some cases retracted. Our center for example has gone from slightly over 100 driving positions to around 75-80 positions in the last 5 years. Increased sizes in trucks and routes along with longer days for drivers (in addition to SurePost) has virtually blocked job progression. Drivers would either retire or go into management. Now we have "specialists" (being hired off the street) instead of experienced supervisors coming from the driving ranks. In our center(s), we have 12+ year part-time employees still waiting to go into full-time driving positions... (I have not seen any promotions into full-time management for over 5 years). Retirement has been delayed by many drivers because of the 2001 market crash (lost 401k money)....economy..life issues, etc. [/QUOTE]
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