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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 54357"><p>robo,</p><p>Like any marriage in a family you're gonna have your little fights and sqabbles but that is always followed by good passionate sex! </p><p></p><p>You know, come to think of it, if Saw, OK and UPS start having passionate sex here I believe this ole' boy will hit the door running!</p><p></p><p>Come on guys, step back, take a deep breath and just relax. We've all got our heart felt beliefs and opinions and I've learned much listening to all sides. We all agree a solid retirement is important so let's not shut this door on ourselves and give those who would take a good retirement from us, no matter where they might be, a very easy victory. It's more important right now to place everything, every idea, every success, every failure all on the table to learn from and hopefully come up with a solution. It's good to provide a countering view just to make sure as many bases as possible are covered. "WE" including myself here shouldn't take an opposing view personal nor should "WE" get personal. Let's just agree to that right here and move forward. We'll never grow and get better if we're to afraid to ask the all important question, What If?</p><p></p><p>UPS79,</p><p>Just to share something with you that OK2BC already knows and that is I've exchanged several emails over the past couple of months with Van Silkman, one of the organizing individuals with APWA. I've raised some of the points with Mr. Silkman that has been discussed here concerning APWA's ideas and I'd encourage you to do the same. I'm confident it won't change your mind at this point based on what little I know about your situation regarding retirement issues etc. but I think once you hear what is really being suggested and discussed at the real level of APWA and understanding some of the issues we Teamsters covered by CS face then at least I'm certain you can appreciate why we might give it all a listen. Not suggesting it's the answer but like I've said before we should use APWA at the very least as a ballbat to beat and threaten the IBT with. "Beat" and "threaten" are not physical terms but rather mental and philosophical terms. Just want to make sure there was no confusion on that. Just thought I'd throw that opinion at you for something to think about.</p><p></p><p>Hey guys hope you all have a good weekend.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 54357"] robo, Like any marriage in a family you're gonna have your little fights and sqabbles but that is always followed by good passionate sex! You know, come to think of it, if Saw, OK and UPS start having passionate sex here I believe this ole' boy will hit the door running! Come on guys, step back, take a deep breath and just relax. We've all got our heart felt beliefs and opinions and I've learned much listening to all sides. We all agree a solid retirement is important so let's not shut this door on ourselves and give those who would take a good retirement from us, no matter where they might be, a very easy victory. It's more important right now to place everything, every idea, every success, every failure all on the table to learn from and hopefully come up with a solution. It's good to provide a countering view just to make sure as many bases as possible are covered. "WE" including myself here shouldn't take an opposing view personal nor should "WE" get personal. Let's just agree to that right here and move forward. We'll never grow and get better if we're to afraid to ask the all important question, What If? UPS79, Just to share something with you that OK2BC already knows and that is I've exchanged several emails over the past couple of months with Van Silkman, one of the organizing individuals with APWA. I've raised some of the points with Mr. Silkman that has been discussed here concerning APWA's ideas and I'd encourage you to do the same. I'm confident it won't change your mind at this point based on what little I know about your situation regarding retirement issues etc. but I think once you hear what is really being suggested and discussed at the real level of APWA and understanding some of the issues we Teamsters covered by CS face then at least I'm certain you can appreciate why we might give it all a listen. Not suggesting it's the answer but like I've said before we should use APWA at the very least as a ballbat to beat and threaten the IBT with. "Beat" and "threaten" are not physical terms but rather mental and philosophical terms. Just want to make sure there was no confusion on that. Just thought I'd throw that opinion at you for something to think about. Hey guys hope you all have a good weekend. [/QUOTE]
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