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<blockquote data-quote="Unregistered" data-source="post: 72537"><p>If anything the package car driver should make more than the feeder driver and pilot. These are the bread and butter of UPS. They are the first and last thing the customer sees when they ship or receive a package. How many pilots lift up to 150lbs and carry their loads by hand up stairs all while being timed by stops per minute. </p><p></p><p>Your right about comparing apples to oranges. Thats why for years it was a well known fact that passenger pilots made a lot more than cargo pilots. Most passenger pilots got there starts in cargo to build flight time then. Now that the times have changed passenger pilots want to come back to cargo. Guess what though, they either want to come to UPS or Fed Ex. These are the main cargo companies that have the job security. The IPA needs a balance. They need to get paid but also have to get 'The Big Picture" <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/smile.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-shortname=":)" /> With a global economy comes more risk. Right now we are putting alot of investment in China. What happens when the Chinese economy faulters. Don't say that it won't. These things come in cycles. Since you can't drive a feeder to Bejing who will fly it, the IPA. If the economy suffers who will be the first to start losing jobs, the IPA. Capt. Nicholson stated in the Press Conference today the first issue was job security. If that is truly the case then help the company and look at the big picture. Tom stated that UPS wanted to raise healthcare premiums 1000%. It isn't the company that is raising healthcare. Look at how much healthcare has gone up. The IPA and UPS should share those costs. There isn't very many companies out there that have not raised their healthcare premiums since 1998. Why can't the IPA break it up to where the senior Capt that makes more than 175k a year pay more in healthcosts and the junior new hire pay less since they make maybe 50 k a year. That way every IPA pilot pays the same percentage to wage instead of every IPA pilot paying the same amount when their wages differ greatly. He also said UPS has been dragging their feet. This was a wait and see to what Fed Ex was going to do. I think both sides are guilty of this. This is so UPS can try to save some money and the IPA can try to get some money after Fed Ex signs their deal. Tell me the IPA doesn't want to see what the purple people eaters are going to make. He said quality of life issues are complex but almost completed. So if it is money and job security then what kind of balance does the IPA want. Labor is the number one expense with a company. When labor gets too high people start losing jobs. UPS has offered an increase right?</p><p></p><p>At another site a person wrote that the IPA walked with the teamsters in 1997 because they couldn't fly. The aircraft dispatchers and mechanics were teamsters on strike. UPS was focusing on getting the packages out of the system and not putting them in in 1997. There was nothing to fly. Asia wasn't that big. I think UPS was using Challenge in Miami then for flights to Latin America. The IPA used the teamsters to get their 1998 deal that was signed just months after the 97 strike. They claimed solidarity but in looking back they had really no way or nothing too fly. This is a different puppy. The drivers grew the business after the strike. We were able to bounce back after 1997 in no time. What can the pilots do to grow the business? Does Amazon. com or JC Penny or Sears catalog have a airstrip to were the pilot can get out of their plane and thank them for using UPS? It will be up to the teamsters to work harder if the IPA strikes to recover lost business.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Unregistered, post: 72537"] If anything the package car driver should make more than the feeder driver and pilot. These are the bread and butter of UPS. They are the first and last thing the customer sees when they ship or receive a package. How many pilots lift up to 150lbs and carry their loads by hand up stairs all while being timed by stops per minute. Your right about comparing apples to oranges. Thats why for years it was a well known fact that passenger pilots made a lot more than cargo pilots. Most passenger pilots got there starts in cargo to build flight time then. Now that the times have changed passenger pilots want to come back to cargo. Guess what though, they either want to come to UPS or Fed Ex. These are the main cargo companies that have the job security. The IPA needs a balance. They need to get paid but also have to get 'The Big Picture" :) With a global economy comes more risk. Right now we are putting alot of investment in China. What happens when the Chinese economy faulters. Don't say that it won't. These things come in cycles. Since you can't drive a feeder to Bejing who will fly it, the IPA. If the economy suffers who will be the first to start losing jobs, the IPA. Capt. Nicholson stated in the Press Conference today the first issue was job security. If that is truly the case then help the company and look at the big picture. Tom stated that UPS wanted to raise healthcare premiums 1000%. It isn't the company that is raising healthcare. Look at how much healthcare has gone up. The IPA and UPS should share those costs. There isn't very many companies out there that have not raised their healthcare premiums since 1998. Why can't the IPA break it up to where the senior Capt that makes more than 175k a year pay more in healthcosts and the junior new hire pay less since they make maybe 50 k a year. That way every IPA pilot pays the same percentage to wage instead of every IPA pilot paying the same amount when their wages differ greatly. He also said UPS has been dragging their feet. This was a wait and see to what Fed Ex was going to do. I think both sides are guilty of this. This is so UPS can try to save some money and the IPA can try to get some money after Fed Ex signs their deal. Tell me the IPA doesn't want to see what the purple people eaters are going to make. He said quality of life issues are complex but almost completed. So if it is money and job security then what kind of balance does the IPA want. Labor is the number one expense with a company. When labor gets too high people start losing jobs. UPS has offered an increase right? At another site a person wrote that the IPA walked with the teamsters in 1997 because they couldn't fly. The aircraft dispatchers and mechanics were teamsters on strike. UPS was focusing on getting the packages out of the system and not putting them in in 1997. There was nothing to fly. Asia wasn't that big. I think UPS was using Challenge in Miami then for flights to Latin America. The IPA used the teamsters to get their 1998 deal that was signed just months after the 97 strike. They claimed solidarity but in looking back they had really no way or nothing too fly. This is a different puppy. The drivers grew the business after the strike. We were able to bounce back after 1997 in no time. What can the pilots do to grow the business? Does Amazon. com or JC Penny or Sears catalog have a airstrip to were the pilot can get out of their plane and thank them for using UPS? It will be up to the teamsters to work harder if the IPA strikes to recover lost business. [/QUOTE]
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