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<blockquote data-quote="BrownBusDriver" data-source="post: 72981" data-attributes="member: 4563"><p>Actually, even as a Capt at the top of the pay scale, not that much. I don't consider it inadequate, and never stated so, but I would think you don't come to work, accepting that your future is going to be less profitable at a time the company is so profitable. Where is the equity in that?</p><p> </p><p>If you want to argue just compensation, well, what is just. Million upon millions for management around the country, even for poor performance. Our company is well managed from a fiscal stand point, and I respect that. But, am I to expect less in the future, because I work for a profitable company in a profitable industry, because other who do the same type of work in a less profitable industry are taking pay cuts? I would suspect if the day when this company finds itself there, the pilots would be up to carrying our fair share of the burden, just as many of the pilots of passenger carriers are now doing.</p><p> </p><p>I chose to be a pilot. Frankly, it has was not for the money. I was just a kid that dreamed of flying from aircraft carriers for his country. That was then, this is now. This is a business, not the service. </p><p> </p><p>I wish everyone the best to maximize their ability to leverage their skills for compensation. The trend in this country is becoming much to weighted in the direction of management compensation. It is some 400 to 1 now according to the GAO. </p><p> </p><p>We are a very skilled group..and UPS for the most part didn't pay for that experience/training, though they do provide excellent training here. I have always been amazed at how well our pilots and management keep this stuff out of the training center. It is appreciated by every pilot here.</p><p> </p><p>End the end, we are worth what we negoitate, even the management, but to buy into the idea that the pilots are going to destroy the company's profitablility is just not truthful.</p><p> </p><p>As for job envy, it exist, and as I have said previously, I try to keep a humble attitude in how blessed that I have been in my career, but I have also worked hard to create these opportunities.</p><p> </p><p>Being a guy flying night cargo has never been the most glamorous job in the world, but it does provide much stability it would seem. </p><p> </p><p>Label us greedy, but I feel that our responsibility and skills to provide access to a world wide network, along with our continued commitment to providing the safest and reliable airline that it can be is worth the investment we are asking. Some don't agree I guess.</p><p> </p><p>Look at it this way. At least we are negotiating, agressively at this point, but yes, we have tried to negotiate for a long time.</p><p> </p><p>When we supported the Teamsters, it was out of a position of moral responsibility. I lost income, at a time when my kids were young, and I was very junior seniority wise. I would do it again, no matter the money, because it is the right thing to do. I hope that others can understand this view, but that is the way I feel, as do most every crewmember here.</p><p> </p><p>Thanks for keeping this conversation at a level of politeness not generally maintained. </p><p> </p><p>BrownBusDriver</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BrownBusDriver, post: 72981, member: 4563"] Actually, even as a Capt at the top of the pay scale, not that much. I don't consider it inadequate, and never stated so, but I would think you don't come to work, accepting that your future is going to be less profitable at a time the company is so profitable. Where is the equity in that? If you want to argue just compensation, well, what is just. Million upon millions for management around the country, even for poor performance. Our company is well managed from a fiscal stand point, and I respect that. But, am I to expect less in the future, because I work for a profitable company in a profitable industry, because other who do the same type of work in a less profitable industry are taking pay cuts? I would suspect if the day when this company finds itself there, the pilots would be up to carrying our fair share of the burden, just as many of the pilots of passenger carriers are now doing. I chose to be a pilot. Frankly, it has was not for the money. I was just a kid that dreamed of flying from aircraft carriers for his country. That was then, this is now. This is a business, not the service. I wish everyone the best to maximize their ability to leverage their skills for compensation. The trend in this country is becoming much to weighted in the direction of management compensation. It is some 400 to 1 now according to the GAO. We are a very skilled group..and UPS for the most part didn't pay for that experience/training, though they do provide excellent training here. I have always been amazed at how well our pilots and management keep this stuff out of the training center. It is appreciated by every pilot here. End the end, we are worth what we negoitate, even the management, but to buy into the idea that the pilots are going to destroy the company's profitablility is just not truthful. As for job envy, it exist, and as I have said previously, I try to keep a humble attitude in how blessed that I have been in my career, but I have also worked hard to create these opportunities. Being a guy flying night cargo has never been the most glamorous job in the world, but it does provide much stability it would seem. Label us greedy, but I feel that our responsibility and skills to provide access to a world wide network, along with our continued commitment to providing the safest and reliable airline that it can be is worth the investment we are asking. Some don't agree I guess. Look at it this way. At least we are negotiating, agressively at this point, but yes, we have tried to negotiate for a long time. When we supported the Teamsters, it was out of a position of moral responsibility. I lost income, at a time when my kids were young, and I was very junior seniority wise. I would do it again, no matter the money, because it is the right thing to do. I hope that others can understand this view, but that is the way I feel, as do most every crewmember here. Thanks for keeping this conversation at a level of politeness not generally maintained. BrownBusDriver [/QUOTE]
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